I strongly doubt there are any dual socket 370 boards with ISA . Why must you have dual CPUs with ISA ?

DOS and Windows up to to 95, 98 , 98SE and Millennium are the OS environments where ISA is useful and none of these can take advantage of more than one CPU .

There is at least one dual Socket 370 board with ISA - Gigabyte GA-6VXDC7.

It only supports Coppermine CPUs though.

ShovelKnight wrote on 2020-04-11, 15:44:

There is at least one dual Socket 370 board with ISA - Gigabyte GA-6VXDC7.

It only supports Coppermine CPUs though.

Nice to know at least one exists . I wonder what the use cases for such a setup were . Legacy ISA industrial hardware that somehow had drivers for Windows NT or higher would be one scenario .

darry wrote on 2020-04-11, 15:43:

I strongly doubt there are any dual socket 370 boards with ISA . Why must you have dual CPUs with ISA ?

DOS and Windows up to to 95, 98 , 98SE and Millennium are the OS environments where ISA is useful and none of these can take advantage of more than one CPU .

Because i want both Xp and 98 on one machine.

ShovelKnight wrote on 2020-04-11, 15:44:

There is at least one dual Socket 370 board with ISA - Gigabyte GA-6VXDC7.

It only supports Coppermine CPUs though.

After research i think i’ll sell my Geforce 4 AGP and get a Voodoo 3 PCI instead. I found a Dell PowerEdge 1500SC motherboard. It just lacks AGP support. Is the Voodoo 3 good enough for running games like Morrowind?

iVirtualZero wrote on 2020-04-11, 16:01:

ShovelKnight wrote on 2020-04-11, 15:44:

There is at least one dual Socket 370 board with ISA - Gigabyte GA-6VXDC7.

It only supports Coppermine CPUs though.

After research i think i’ll sell my Geforce 4 AGP and get a Voodoo 3 PCI instead. I found a Dell PowerEdge 1500SC motherboard. It just lacks AGP support. Is the Voodoo 3 good enough for running games like Morrowind?

That board does not have ISA slots, if I am not mistaken .

darry wrote on 2020-04-11, 16:05:

iVirtualZero wrote on 2020-04-11, 16:01:

ShovelKnight wrote on 2020-04-11, 15:44:

There is at least one dual Socket 370 board with ISA - Gigabyte GA-6VXDC7.

It only supports Coppermine CPUs though.

After research i think i’ll sell my Geforce 4 AGP and get a Voodoo 3 PCI instead. I found a Dell PowerEdge 1500SC motherboard. It just lacks AGP support. Is the Voodoo 3 good enough for running games like Morrowind?

That board does not have ISA slots, if I am not mistaken .

You right i guess those slots are something else. Might have to go for something older.

darry wrote on 2020-04-11, 16:05:

iVirtualZero wrote on 2020-04-11, 16:01:

ShovelKnight wrote on 2020-04-11, 15:44:

There is at least one dual Socket 370 board with ISA - Gigabyte GA-6VXDC7.

It only supports Coppermine CPUs though.

After research i think i’ll sell my Geforce 4 AGP and get a Voodoo 3 PCI instead. I found a Dell PowerEdge 1500SC motherboard. It just lacks AGP support. Is the Voodoo 3 good enough for running games like Morrowind?

That board does not have ISA slots, if I am not mistaken .

What about the TYAN TRINITY 400 S1854? Is this good?

ShovelKnight wrote on 2020-04-11, 15:44:

There is at least one dual Socket 370 board with ISA - Gigabyte GA-6VXDC7.

It only supports Coppermine CPUs though.

I had this board running 2 Tually's on adapters

Also dual CPU boards with ISA

Epox - EP-DV3A

Tyan S2567

iVirtualZero wrote on 2020-04-11, 16:01:

After research i think i’ll sell my Geforce 4 AGP and get a Voodoo 3 PCI instead. I found a Dell PowerEdge 1500SC motherboard. It just lacks AGP support. Is the Voodoo 3 good enough for running games like Morrowind?

The short and final answer: HELL NO!
The long answer: Voodoo 3 is an early 1999 card (and not even the fastest from 1999, that honor belongs to GeForce 256 DDR). So we are talking about a mid-range 1999 card that doesn't even support DirectX 7 features, and a 2002 DirectX 8.1 game. For Morrowind a GeForce 2 GTS would be the minimum for it to be decently playable. However GeForce 2 is a DirectX 7 card, so GeForce 3 or GeForce 4 Ti are recommended for the DirectX 8/8.1 features.

The S1854 is a single CPU board. It only supports coppermine. It has both Slot-1 and S370, but only one can be used at a time.

I have a dual S370 board that supports Tualatins that has an ISA slot... no AGP slot though.

Video card I have in it is a PCI Nvidia Quadro FX600 (little bit faster than an FX5200).

See this list... I am not seeing any with AGP and ISA, though already as mentioned it is possible with adapters:
https://www.vogonswiki.com/index.php/List_of_ … 70_motherboards

I wouldn't even try to run Morrowind on a Voodoo3.

The recommended specs are still way low especially if you want to run at higher resolution and good framerates.

For that matter, you can run it on much newer systems anyway.

Here are the system requirements and recommended specs:
Morrowind requires the following:

Windows 98/Me/2000/XP (Windows 2000 users must have Service Pack 2 installed.)
500mhz Intel Pentium III, Celeron, AMD Athlon or Duron processor
128MB RAM for Windows Me/98, 256MB RAM for Windows XP/2000
8x CD/DVD-ROM Drive
1 GB free hard disk space
32MB Direct3D Compatible Video card and DirectX 8.1 compatible driver
DirectX 8.1 Compatible Sound Card
Windows compatible Keyboard and Mouse
DirectX 8.1 (included on the Morrowind CD-ROM)

Recommended System Requirements:

800mhz or faster Intel Pentium III or AMD Athlon
256 MB RAM
Nvidia GeForce 2 GTS, ATI Radeon 7500 or faster video card

iVirtualZero wrote on 2020-04-11, 15:58:

darry wrote on 2020-04-11, 15:43:

I strongly doubt there are any dual socket 370 boards with ISA . Why must you have dual CPUs with ISA ?

DOS and Windows up to to 95, 98 , 98SE and Millennium are the OS environments where ISA is useful and none of these can take advantage of more than one CPU .

Because i want both Xp and 98 on one machine.

Well.. you can go as high as a Pentium 4 S478 in that case... with AGP and multiple ISA slots. Not cheap though.

There are also some industrial LGA775 boards that have ISA as well but you have to make sure you get one with the correct PCI/ISA bridge for it to support DMA on the ISA slot. ITE-8888F or similar. Make sure to check datasheets.

There is also the possibility to use one of those USB to ISA adapters and use the custom DOSBOX code to get DMA support for using those cards through DOSBOX.

cyclone3d wrote on 2020-04-11, 16:42:

The S1854 is a single CPU board. It only supports coppermine. It has both Slot-1 and S370, but only one can be used at a time. […]
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The S1854 is a single CPU board. It only supports coppermine. It has both Slot-1 and S370, but only one can be used at a time.

I have a dual S370 board that supports Tualatins that has an ISA slot... no AGP slot though.

Video card I have in it is a PCI Nvidia Quadro FX600 (little bit faster than an FX5200).

See this list... I am not seeing any with AGP and ISA, though already as mentioned it is possible with adapters:
https://www.vogonswiki.com/index.php/List_of_ … 70_motherboards

I wouldn't even try to run Morrowind on a Voodoo3.

The recommended specs are still way low especially if you want to run at higher resolution and good framerates.

For that matter, you can run it on much newer systems anyway.

Here are the system requirements and recommended specs:
Morrowind requires the following:

Windows 98/Me/2000/XP (Windows 2000 users must have Service Pack 2 installed.)
500mhz Intel Pentium III, Celeron, AMD Athlon or Duron processor
128MB RAM for Windows Me/98, 256MB RAM for Windows XP/2000
8x CD/DVD-ROM Drive
1 GB free hard disk space
32MB Direct3D Compatible Video card and DirectX 8.1 compatible driver
DirectX 8.1 Compatible Sound Card
Windows compatible Keyboard and Mouse
DirectX 8.1 (included on the Morrowind CD-ROM)

Recommended System Requirements:

800mhz or faster Intel Pentium III or AMD Athlon
256 MB RAM
Nvidia GeForce 2 GTS, ATI Radeon 7500 or faster video card

So about that S1854 Motherboard. Can i chuck the fastest Pentium 2 and a Tualatin into it. I purchased the P3S Tualatin from a South Korean Seller on eBay it has an adaptor preinstalled. And can i configure XP to run on a 3S and 98 on a Pentium 2. This would be a really cool legacy set up with my SoundBlaster Audigy, SB16, 4Ti 4600 and a Matrox Mellenium 2. I really want a PC that can pretty much play everything. From Xp era to Dos.

Nope, you can only have one CPU installed at a time.

cyclone3d wrote on 2020-04-11, 16:56:

Nope, you can only have one CPU installed at a time.

Really oh man that sucks. This would have been an epic setup if i can install both. Is there similar one that does?

cyclone3d wrote on 2020-04-11, 16:47:

Well.. you can go as high as a Pentium 4 S478 in that case... with AGP and multiple ISA slots. Not cheap though. […]
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iVirtualZero wrote on 2020-04-11, 15:58:

darry wrote on 2020-04-11, 15:43:

I strongly doubt there are any dual socket 370 boards with ISA . Why must you have dual CPUs with ISA ?

DOS and Windows up to to 95, 98 , 98SE and Millennium are the OS environments where ISA is useful and none of these can take advantage of more than one CPU .

Because i want both Xp and 98 on one machine.

Well.. you can go as high as a Pentium 4 S478 in that case... with AGP and multiple ISA slots. Not cheap though.

There are also some industrial LGA775 boards that have ISA as well but you have to make sure you get one with the correct PCI/ISA bridge for it to support DMA on the ISA slot. ITE-8888F or similar. Make sure to check datasheets.

There is also the possibility to use one of those USB to ISA adapters and use the custom DOSBOX code to get DMA support for using those cards through DOSBOX.

Is the ABIT BP6 a good choice? Or the Asus TRDLS?

I’ll be going with the Gigabyte GA-6VXDC7? Thanks for your help.

iVirtualZero wrote on 2020-04-11, 17:10:

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Is the ABIT BP6 a good choice? Or the Asus TRDLS?

Two totally different boards, both are excellent, but not for the same things.

I have the BP6. It's a - the only - dual So370 PPGA motherboard, so Celeron Mendocino only. Apart from that it's a typical mid 1999 i440BX board with AGP 1.0, slow IDE (and a slightly faster external chip) lots of 32b PCI and ISA. Max RAM is 768MB.

TR-DLS is a late 2001 dual So370 FC-PGA2 board, so P3 Coppermine or Tualatin. It uses the Serverworks III LE chipset, which offers 64b PCI but no AGP. The IDE is slow (slower than i440BX) and buggy, but the board has onboard SCSI which is fast and bug-free. It also supports more RAM (up to 4GB) but registered, which has higher latencies.

So basically there's a year and a half between the boards, one is an oddball workstation board, iconic, but only supporting old CPUs. The other supports all the fastest P3 CPUs, but is a server board designed for wide I/O (64b PCI/PCI-X) and high RAM, but at the cost of high latencies (and no AGP), so this is hardly a gaming board.

Though I find it interesting to see dual socket 370 boards with ISA do exist (I learned something!), I still do not think that they are an optimal solution to having a Windows 98/XP dual booter .

In fact, I believe any system trying to do both Windows 98 (DOS) and XP will result in a compromised Windows XP experience .
Windows XP had a very long life (2001 to 2014), so any XP-compatible hardware that is also 98 compatible will not fare well with software from the later XP era .
For this reason alone, I would recommend separate machines for 98 and XP (unless you are aiming only for the very early XP era) .

On a different note, you never did mention DOS gaming (did you?) ? The reason I ask is because ISA cards are only useful for DOS games. They are of no use under Windows 95 and up if not playing with DOS software .