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Voodoo 2 tests?

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Reply 40 of 50, by Agent of the BSoD

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Hmm, not sure I can, unless there's a good way to do that outside the BIOS. Mine doesn't let me change that.

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Reply 42 of 50, by Agent of the BSoD

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It's a Dell Dimension 4100. Intel motherboard D815EEA rev AAA10383-402 with the latest BIOS, version A11.

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Reply 44 of 50, by Agent of the BSoD

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SetFSB makes the system blow up just by trying to launch it. As for SoftFSB, it doesn't detect it when it starts, and the options it has listed don't quite match to anything I know of with this system. If it's listed in there, I don't see it. There is one Dell Dimension listing but it doesn't seem right to me.

Pentium MMX 233 | 64MB | FIC PA-2013 | Matrox Mystique 220 | SB Pro 2 | Music Quest MPU Clone | Windows 95B
MT-32 | SC-55mkII, 88Pro, 8820 | SB16 CT2230
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Reply 45 of 50, by FeedingDragon

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Did some searching, mostly out of curiosity. Dell, it seems, lock their motherboards. They don't allow you to alter the FSB or multiplier. You would have to get a hacked BIOS to do it (which I strongly advise against.) That being said, I had forgotten that V2's had a problem with a 133Mhz FSB, I had encountered that in other threads before, but I just didn't think about it 🙁 Sorry about that. The only solution I could find, that didn't involve hacking anything, would be to change your processor out for one with a 100Mhz FSB. I've seen them up to 1Ghz (which, according to my search results, this board supports.) If you decide to go that route, just make sure the processor is 100Mhz FSB.

I also need to append my earlier statement. When the batch file option didn't work before it was with my Asus P3V133 board (and yes it was set to 100Mhz, my PIII-800 is 100Mhz, so that's where I set it.) That board had more problems than just this, so I blame the board. Just tested it again, and the batch file works just fine with the 3DFX exe file instead of the Voodoo Rush one. So Vetz is probably right, in your case it's the 133Mhz FSB that's stopping things.

On a side note, I did do a search, and struggled with this problem for several weeks prior to asking for testing software. As a general rule of thumb, it is usually a safe bet to use the latest "official" drivers. When that fails, the safest fallback is the drivers that actually came with the purchased HW. Those are the 2 drivers I was originally using in all my testing (switching back and forth.) In this case, neither of those drivers would work. Also, if a proposed fix doesn't work one time, it's is usually safe to assume that it won't work at another time. In this case, there were actually two problems (the HW and the driver,) that was causing a problem, so this didn't hold exactly true. If I had already cycled through the drivers (prior to replacing the MB,) there's a good chance I would not have tried it again with this MB. Discounting a "failed" fix is automatic, and is usually done without thought, unless someone outside the problem (usually someone that faced it before and solved it,) points it out to you. In this case, I would most likely have ended up wasting money on replacing the cards (since everything was pointing at them as the culprit.) That probably would not have fixed things, which would have forced me to start over from the very beginning, and I would have then thrown out everything I had done before, so I would probably have found the fix this time. Though, if I had replaced the boards, I would have gone with a different brand. I had found a pair of Diamond Monster 3D cards, that were only $10 more than buying a pair of STB cards ($125 i/o $115 for the pair.) These "might" have worked with the newer drivers, I didn't buy them, so I don't know.

On that note, just out of curiosity Vetz, which OVL version are you using with your SLI setup(s)?

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Reply 46 of 50, by vetz

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@Agent of the BSoD: I firmly believe the 133mhz FSB is the root of the problem. The symptoms are exactly the same as when I tested Tomb Raider for trying to help FeedingDragon on my Pentium 3 system with 133mhz enabled. It worked immediately when I switched to 100mhz. With no options on the motherboard or the FSB problems (further Google searches say other users have not been able to use those utilities as well.)

@FeedingDragon: I belive I use version 2.54 if it's that version that comes with 3.03 or Creative 2.18 drivers (I mostly have Creative Voodoo2 cards). I stay away from the newest drivers as they cause trouble. V 3.03 as you are using now is a good middle ground for Windows usage as well (unless you place OVL files in the directory). I know version 2.50 is required for Archmedian Dynasty, but it doesn't really matter that much if you use 2.50-2.54 from the testing I did when making the compatibility list.

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Reply 47 of 50, by FeedingDragon

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vetz wrote:

@FeedingDragon: I belive I use version 2.54 if it's that version that comes with 3.03 or Creative 2.18 drivers (I mostly have Creative Voodoo2 cards). I stay away from the newest drivers as they cause trouble. V 3.03 as you are using now is a good middle ground for Windows usage as well (unless you place OVL files in the directory). I know version 2.50 is required for Archmedian Dynasty, but it doesn't really matter that much if you use 2.50-2.54 from the testing I did when making the compatibility list.

Actually, I'm using the V3.01.00 drivers. Those are the only ones that worked. Though I only tested the ones that had an easily extracted OVL file and were not name brand specific. So, I didn't test the Creative Labs v2.16 or v2.18 drivers, and I didn't test the Diamond Monster 3D driver. Of those, the Creative Labs v2.18 drivers are not easily extracted (along with the 3DFX v2.11 drivers.) They are installshield packaged with non-standard cab files (or hidden/compressed hdr files.) I did a new compare, just out of curiosity, and the Diamond Monster 3D's OVL file is identical to the v3.01.00 file (the one I'm using now.) The v3.03.00 and v3.03.00b OVL files are also identical (but failed for me.) Of all the drivers, the v3.02.02 is the latest (despite the numbering,) and the 3.01.01 drivers are the ones on my STB Black Magic 3D install CD.

At this time, I'm actually tempted to install the v2.11 drivers on my Win98 boot just to see how it's OVL file compares. I'm also tempted to try to install the Creative Labs v2.18 drivers just to get the OVL file out of it, but I'm not sure it will install as my Voodoo cards aren't Creative Labs, and CL install packages have a tendency to refuse to install when you don't have the appropriate CL device (though these might.) Though, if you have the CL 2.18 drivers installed and are willing to zip it up for me, it would be appreciated 😀 Could round out my testing. Because of my curious nature, I will be trying out the CL 2.16 OVL, just to find out.....

OK, did the test real quick. Tomb Raider loaded just fine, Shadow Warrior tried to load at 640x480 & 800x600 but the first screen (3D Realms banner) was just a colored screen, the second yin-yang screen (that says "mature content" on the bottom) was rotated 90 degrees, Lo-Wang never slices this screen or shows up (to spin around & disappear,) and it crashes after this point (before the main menu,) with the message "gd error (glide): grTextDownload MipMap: mipmap cannot span 2 Mbyte boundry" and locks up the system. Also, in these 2 modes, the 3DFX logo appears (it doesn't with the 3.01.00 drivers.) In Shadow Warrior's only other resolution (512x384) it doesn't even get to the now present 3DFX logo before it locks up with a black screen. Because of the message, I suspected mipmapping (which I normally turn off - the blurring on my LCD gives me a headache,) so I tried Tomb Raider with it turned on, but it still loaded and ran just fine.

I'm not going to test the Diamond Monster 3D's OVL file because it is literally 100% identical to the one in the v3.01.00 drivers. What would be the point? Reading through your message, are you sure you didn't mean the v3.01 drivers with OVL v2.54? the v3.03 drivers come with v2.56.00.0456 (I take that to mean v2.56 r456.) The v3.03.00b drivers (beta,) claims the OVL is v2.61.00.439, but the file is 100% identical to the non-beta driver. Though, come to think of it, they just say Glide version 2.61.xxx, I guess they could be referring to a DLL file instead of the OVL.

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Reply 48 of 50, by vetz

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Might have been 3.01 as you mention, I'll need to double check when I get back home. I extracted all the OVL files I could find when testing the games that didn't run (Tie Break Tennis, Prost Grand Prix, Dreams to Reality) so I should be able to make a package.

Then again I can't recall having so much problems as you describe when testing the Glide OVL files, else I would have mentioned it. Only the latest FastVoodoo 4.6 gave issues.

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Reply 49 of 50, by Agent of the BSoD

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Ah, ok. In my case then, I was planning on getting an older system (one that actually has ISA slots for some better sound cards for DOS games, because my PCI128 isn't that great there) so I'll just keep this in mind for when I do get around to that. Out of the few games that I have (mostly got a few demos since TR is the only full 3DFX game I have), I've never once seen the 3DFX logo appear, though that one bundle of test programs display it just fine. But thanks for the info, now I know what else to look for in a future retro system.

Pentium MMX 233 | 64MB | FIC PA-2013 | Matrox Mystique 220 | SB Pro 2 | Music Quest MPU Clone | Windows 95B
MT-32 | SC-55mkII, 88Pro, 8820 | SB16 CT2230
3DFX Voodoo 1&2 | S3 ViRGE GX2 | PowerVR PCX1&2 | Rendition Vérité V1000 | ATI 3D Rage Pro

Reply 50 of 50, by Gamecollector

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Well, I will try to test my P4 3.2E/865PE/Voodoo2 with MSDOS 6.22.
The easiest way is - booting from an USB HDD with FAT16 512 MB volume...

Asus P4P800 SE/Pentium4 3.2E/2 Gb DDR400B,
Radeon HD3850 Agp (Sapphire), Catalyst 14.4 (XpProSp3).
Voodoo2 12 MB SLI, Win2k drivers 1.02.00 (XpProSp3).