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microsoft and passowrds

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First post, by ncmark

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Lately I read an article where micro$oft is encouraging users to change windows passwords and promoting USB keys.
hen a more recent article (today) saying that loopholes are closed so you HAVE to create and account with Windwos 11.
Maybe I'm just old-fashioned, us old guys don't really know anything, right 🤣
Seems to me like best solution is NOT to require a password or account just to use your computer, or your office suite. Wow what a radical idea.

Reply 1 of 21, by Grzyb

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Is there anything new about it?

AFAIR, the last Windows version without user accounts was 3.x.
Unix has always had user accounts.
Even CP/M had that "user areas" thing!

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Reply 2 of 21, by ncmark

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You might have to "log onto" earlier versions of windows, but you did not have to create an account with micro$oft when installing the OS

Reply 3 of 21, by Grzyb

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I never create an account at Microsoft.
I always use local account:

Shift-F10
OOBE\BYPASSNRO

Is this possibility going to be removed?

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Reply 4 of 21, by Trashbytes

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ncmark wrote on Yesterday, 23:56:

You might have to "log onto" earlier versions of windows, but you did not have to create an account with micro$oft when installing the OS

You still don't, just use one of the other easy workarounds.

Reply 5 of 21, by ncmark

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Such as?

Reply 6 of 21, by Trashbytes

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ncmark wrote on Today, 00:20:

Such as?

Google can help here.

All they did was remove a scripting function that could break the OOBE installation and allow you to skip the MS account creation.

There are others that still work.

Reply 7 of 21, by ncmark

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Thinking that I will hang onto 10 as long as possible

Reply 8 of 21, by Grzyb

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I think there's no difference between Windows 10 and 11...

Both want to create an account at Microsoft during installation.
In both it's necessary to resort to some trickery to have local account instead.

And even with local account, both require online activation - but this has been there since Windows XP.
Can't have Windows totally offline, at least once you have to report yourself to Microsoft 😜

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Reply 9 of 21, by Cyberdyne

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Windows 3.1 also asks your name. Windows 95 has no users, only asks name. And only user logon for microsoft network. I use Tiny11 for Windows 11. It is legally shady, but has no bloat and no user account. Had no problems with it. Surfing net works. Windows Antivirus works. All program and games work. Barebones Windows 11.

I am aroused about any X86 motherboard that has full functional ISA slot. I think i have problem. Not really into that original (Turbo) XT,286,386 and CGA/EGA stuff. So just a DOS nut.
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Reply 10 of 21, by Grzyb

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Tiny11 requires online activation, right?

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Reply 11 of 21, by keenmaster486

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Every company desperately wants you to create an account with them, and usually the main reason is that the marketing team told the executives that they can collect "user data" or "analytics" and make a fortune off of it. Of course it turns out they can't actually do anything useful with it except build a profile on you for marketing purposes, which they either use directly to serve you targeted ads (in Microsoft's case, through the OS itself), or sell it to a company that does.

That's the whole purpose of the "create an account to use our service that suspiciously doesn't need an account at all!" thing. To show you advertisements.

So they can tell their advertisers that they served their ads to people who have 50% more potential to be customers, or something.

And then those advertisers can keep on making their annoying ads that make their best potential customers actively hate them, but test well because most people are stupid.

It's a vicious cycle of corporate stupidity. No one actually benefits from this stuff. No one actually makes more money. But a lot of people *feel* like they're doing something useful.

Our society has become so affluent that mediocre products, engineering, and development can bring in enough money to subsidize management, executives, and marketing that actively suppress demand for the company's products.

It's remarkable, really.

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Reply 12 of 21, by cyclone3d

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Enterprise versions don't require an online connection or anything in regards to connecting to MS.

Easy ways around it in 10. 11 is still easy but more of a hassle and big updates want you to login if it isn't connected to an MS account.

The nice thing about connecting to an MS account in 10 and 11 is that it will keep a record of your licenses and you should be able to repurpose them via your MS account if you replace your PC. Also, doing major upgrades can trigger the OS to de-activate and it is super easy to re-activate if you are connected to an MS account.

Also, I do not use any version below Pro due to the constraints and less user configurability of the lower end versions.

Last edited by cyclone3d on 2025-04-04, 02:33. Edited 1 time in total.

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Reply 13 of 21, by Cyberdyne

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Grzyb wrote on Today, 01:36:

Tiny11 requires online activation, right?

No. Tiny11 does not need any activation.

Last edited by Cyberdyne on 2025-04-04, 02:35. Edited 1 time in total.

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PS. If I upload RAR, it is a 16-bit DOS RAR Version 2.50.

Reply 14 of 21, by emu34b

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Yeah, a good part of my job is dealing with this crap specifically. Gotta also love it when BitLocker locks you out of your drive and you have to go to some back alley on Microsoft’s site to retrieve your recovery key, which is a very long string of numbers very few people would be able to remember.

And if you don’t have a Microsoft account? Well, you’re SOL. Say goodbye to your files. This wouldn’t be a problem if they also didn’t turn on BitLocker without permission.

You see, if any other software did this, we’d call it ransomware…

Reply 15 of 21, by Grzyb

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Cyberdyne wrote on Today, 02:32:

No. Tiny11 does not need any activation.

Thanks, I'm really going to give it a try...

Current version is 2311, based on Windows 11 23H2, right?
No 24H2 yet?

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Reply 16 of 21, by cyclone3d

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emu34b wrote on Today, 02:33:

Yeah, a good part of my job is dealing with this crap specifically. Gotta also love it when BitLocker locks you out of your drive and you have to go to some back alley on Microsoft’s site to retrieve your recovery key, which is a very long string of numbers very few people would be able to remember.

And if you don’t have a Microsoft account? Well, you’re SOL. Say goodbye to your files. This wouldn’t be a problem if they also didn’t turn on BitLocker without permission.

You see, if any other software did this, we’d call it ransomware…

You can print out or put the recovery key on a USB stick as well.

That being said, I don't use Bitlocker on my personal PCs.

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Reply 17 of 21, by emu34b

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cyclone3d wrote on Today, 02:52:
emu34b wrote on Today, 02:33:

Yeah, a good part of my job is dealing with this crap specifically. Gotta also love it when BitLocker locks you out of your drive and you have to go to some back alley on Microsoft’s site to retrieve your recovery key, which is a very long string of numbers very few people would be able to remember.

And if you don’t have a Microsoft account? Well, you’re SOL. Say goodbye to your files. This wouldn’t be a problem if they also didn’t turn on BitLocker without permission.

You see, if any other software did this, we’d call it ransomware…

You can print out or put the recovery key on a USB stick as well.

That being said, I don't use Bitlocker on my personal PCs.

That’s the rub, though. Microsoft turning it on without permission, and many people not realizing that Bitlocker was a thing before it started wanting the key and preventing the PC from booting. I don’t use it either, and it’s not a problem for me because of that, since I’m aware of this issue. However, not all people are like me…

Reply 18 of 21, by Trashbytes

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emu34b wrote on Today, 02:56:
cyclone3d wrote on Today, 02:52:
emu34b wrote on Today, 02:33:

Yeah, a good part of my job is dealing with this crap specifically. Gotta also love it when BitLocker locks you out of your drive and you have to go to some back alley on Microsoft’s site to retrieve your recovery key, which is a very long string of numbers very few people would be able to remember.

And if you don’t have a Microsoft account? Well, you’re SOL. Say goodbye to your files. This wouldn’t be a problem if they also didn’t turn on BitLocker without permission.

You see, if any other software did this, we’d call it ransomware…

You can print out or put the recovery key on a USB stick as well.

That being said, I don't use Bitlocker on my personal PCs.

That’s the rub, though. Microsoft turning it on without permission, and many people not realizing that Bitlocker was a thing before it started wanting the key and preventing the PC from booting. I don’t use it either, and it’s not a problem for me because of that, since I’m aware of this issue. However, not all people are like me…

I read that it is enabled by default but still requires you to turn it on for each drive.

Reply 19 of 21, by Grzyb

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So I've installed Tiny11...

Yes, it did install on an offline machine - no need for that Shift-F10 procedure.

But as soon as I plugged in the LAN cable, it's already calling home - without even asking me about permission!

It may be lighter than normal Windows, but it's still Windows, with plenty of usual windowsish pathology 😜

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