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First post, by tauro

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What the hell is this?

2x SLOT 1 or SLOT A?

5 PCI-X
1 PCI
1 ISA

On the left side, what is that big CPU-looking chip?

Is that the Dell ATX 20+6?

Edit: The thread was formerly named "ID motherboard"

Last edited by tauro on 2025-01-10, 23:12. Edited 1 time in total.

Reply 1 of 14, by AlaricD

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It looks like... some sort of motherboard. Slot 1, not Slot A, from the orientation of each of the slots' keys. Definitely not Slot 2.

I don't think we'll get much more out of a 227x253 blur like that.

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Reply 2 of 14, by paradigital

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Assuming the image hasn't been flipped then that's BTX, which must narrow it down a touch?

BTX seems a bit late for Slot1 (or even Slot2).

Reply 3 of 14, by PcBytes

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Dell PowerEdge 2400 mainboard. Yes, frankly enough, it seems to be BTX, or at least a predecesor of it.

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Reply 4 of 14, by tauro

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PcBytes wrote on 2025-01-06, 15:46:

Dell PowerEdge 2400 mainboard. Yes, frankly enough, it seems to be BTX, or at least a predecesor of it.

Thank you, legend.

According to the manual it supports Pentium III.

I'll get it and see if it works!

Reply 5 of 14, by tauro

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It arrived!

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It seems it was stored for a long time. It has some minor damage. Someone removed the battery holder and the buzzer. Other than that I couldn't detect other missing components or critical damage, but it's still a mystery whether it will work or not.

Now I'll have to get one of those pseudo-ATX Dell PSUs with a different wiring, or maybe create an adapter. What do you recommend? I'm guessing it needs a lot of current with all those chips onboard.

I'm surprised that it has what it looks to be an x86 CPU in its own right (GC80960RM100) soldered on. I assume it's part of the chipset. Does anybody have more info on what it actually does?

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Reply 6 of 14, by Mov AX, 0xDEAD

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tauro wrote on 2025-01-08, 21:37:

I'm surprised that it has what it looks to be an x86 CPU in its own right (GC80960RM100) soldered on. I assume it's part of the chipset. Does anybody have more info on what it actually does?

Intel i960, seems like part of SCSI subsystem on board

Reply 7 of 14, by debs3759

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tauro wrote on 2025-01-08, 21:37:

I'm surprised that it has what it looks to be an x86 CPU in its own right (GC80960RM100) soldered on. I assume it's part of the chipset. Does anybody have more info on what it actually does?

80960 is completely different to x86. I think it's RISC. Can't comment on what it's being used for here, other than maybe cost cutting 😀

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Reply 9 of 14, by myne

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Gotta remember, chips fit inside packages.

The package can look the same, but contain completely different chips.

This package looks similar to the slot 1 celerons or 423 p4s but obviously isn't.

Same as you can't accurately guess what is in an atx case by looking at the outside. It could be anything.

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Reply 10 of 14, by darry

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tauro wrote on 2025-01-08, 21:37:

Now I'll have to get one of those pseudo-ATX Dell PSUs with a different wiring, or maybe create an adapter. What do you recommend? I'm guessing it needs a lot of current with all those chips onboard.

Be careful.

Apparently, this [1] works (have not tested myself) and may or may not be the same as what was used in consumer grade pseudo-ATX Dell PSUs.

[1]
https://www.dell.com/community/en/conversatio … 4ccf8a8de01ce26

Reply 11 of 14, by dionb

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Tiido wrote on 2025-01-09, 11:10:

Probably part of a RAID controller.

Yep, it's a general-purpose CPU purposed to do parity calculations for large, complicated (RAID 5 or 6) RAID arrays on the SCSI bus.

The motherboard chipset looks like a Serverworks IIILE chipset - no AGP, hopelessly buggy IDE, but huge memory bandwidth and big PCI buses. Also onboard RageXL PCI, for what that's worth.

Great board for a retro server or non-graphical workstation. Just don't use the IDE, not even for a CD drive. Sort of echoes the old CMD640 😉

Reply 12 of 14, by tauro

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It's indeed an i960, I didn't know about them. It was Intel's attempt at creating a RISC processor. It has such an interesting story. Just an excerpt from Wikipedia:

Myers tried to convince Intel management to market the i960 (then still known as the "P7") as a general-purpose processor, both in place of the Intel 80286 and i386 (which taped-out the same month as the first i960), as well as the emerging RISC market for Unix systems, including a pitch to Steve Jobs for use in the NeXT system. Myers was unsuccessful at convincing Intel management to support the i960 as a general-purpose or Unix processor, but the chip found a ready market in early high-performance 32-bit embedded systems.

Now about the PSU:

darry wrote on 2025-01-09, 21:02:
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Be careful.

Apparently, this [1] works (have not tested myself) and may or may not be the same as what was used in consumer grade pseudo-ATX Dell PSUs.

[1]
https://www.dell.com/community/en/conversatio … 4ccf8a8de01ce26

Thank you very much for that!

I checked the GND pins for the 24-pin connector on the board and they match. I don't know how I could confirm the other pins are right but it looks promising.

I found this which coincides with the pinout you linked:
https://web.archive.org/web/20240916103400/ht … su_pinout.shtml

But there's also the 16-pin connector (P2). I checked it with a multimeter and there's no continuity between any of its pins and any of the 24-pin ATX connector pins. Furthermore there's no continuity between any of its own pins. So I'd need a bit of help with that. Should I just leave it alone and try to start the motherboard with the 24-pin connector only? What about the pinout from the website I linked?

This is the visual representation of what I have so far (I'm ignoring the "TFSC"):

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I have to get this straight before creating the adapter because it will take a lot of soldering and I want to do it a single time.

Reply 13 of 14, by tauro

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dionb wrote on 2025-01-09, 21:51:

The motherboard chipset looks like a Serverworks IIILE chipset - no AGP, hopelessly buggy IDE, but huge memory bandwidth and big PCI buses. Also onboard RageXL PCI, for what that's worth.

RageXL PCI is not bad for regular DOS / 2D Windows games I suppose. If I get it to work I'll do some tests with better PCI video cards.

dionb wrote on 2025-01-09, 21:51:

Great board for a retro server or non-graphical workstation. Just don't use the IDE, not even for a CD drive. Sort of echoes the old CMD640 😉

Thanks for the heads up! After I read what you wrote I looked for the IDE interface and... I couldn't find any though! 🤣

Reply 14 of 14, by dionb

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tauro wrote on 2025-01-10, 22:56:

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Thanks for the heads up! After I read what you wrote I looked for the IDE interface and... I couldn't find any though! 🤣

I thought the blue connector next to the 50p SCSI was IDE, but seems I can't count and it's floppy. Dell did the sensible thing and didn't even implement it 😀

Also, my eyes are going and it's a Rage IIC, not RageXL.