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First post, by RetroSonicHero

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I guess the Macintosh is a system platform that's always escaped me, but I figured now is as good of a time as ever to explore this area of classic computing.
I have some questions:

  • What's the most powerful 68k Mac I can emulate that retains solid game & software compatibility?
  • What version of System Software/Mac OS should I use to ensure most games from the 80s to mid 90s work correctly?
  • How good is the emulation for MacOS 7/8/9? What emulator(s) do you recommend? Is it good enough to emulate the entire desktop experience beyond playing games?
  • What are your all time favorite Mac games from the 80s to 90s?
  • In what situations should I consider emulating a PowerPC Mac over a 68k based one and vice-versa? Is 68k software compatible with PowerPC Macs?
  • What's your go-to Mac model & emulator for your personal needs?

Any and all help is welcome. Thank you for your time. I am completely new to all of this, but I'm more than willing to learn.

Reply 1 of 7, by lolo799

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You have mainly 3 emulators, mini vmac for older machines running System6, BasiliskII for later 68k (MacOS 7.5.5 upto 8.0) and SheepShaver for PPC (7.5.5 to 9.0).

System software/OS compatibility depends on games, most of mid/late 90s stuff that will run under 7.xx will also work under 8 and 9, baring exceptions.

I'm mostly using BasiliskII under Windows to write sofware to floppy disks when needed.
Sheepshaver under BeOS on PowerMac as it's an easy way to run stuff at full speed.

You'll need to emulate PPC machines if the software is enhanced for PPC, but all PPC are compatible with 68k software, again, baring exceptions like specific system extensions (drivers).

Emulation is very good, you won't have problems with running MacOs, apps and games.
One minor exception, SheepShaver doesn't emulate the MMU, which isn't used by MacOS but is needed for other OSes.

You can find setup guides at emaculation.

Favourite games, that's a tough question, LucasArts classics are great in high res, Dark Forces in 640*480 for instance.
Wolfenstein 3d on the Mac looks better than the PC version too, from memory.

An old one I remember playing on a compact classic back in the day is https://www.lysator.liu.se/~ingemar/games/ing … kiing-game.html
Quite fun while difficult.

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Reply 2 of 7, by RetroSonicHero

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lolo799 wrote on 2024-07-11, 18:33:
You have mainly 3 emulators, mini vmac for older machines running System6, BasiliskII for later 68k (MacOS 7.5.5 upto 8.0) and S […]
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You have mainly 3 emulators, mini vmac for older machines running System6, BasiliskII for later 68k (MacOS 7.5.5 upto 8.0) and SheepShaver for PPC (7.5.5 to 9.0).

System software/OS compatibility depends on games, most of mid/late 90s stuff that will run under 7.xx will also work under 8 and 9, baring exceptions.

I'm mostly using BasiliskII under Windows to write sofware to floppy disks when needed.
Sheepshaver under BeOS on PowerMac as it's an easy way to run stuff at full speed.

You'll need to emulate PPC machines if the software is enhanced for PPC, but all PPC are compatible with 68k software, again, baring exceptions like specific system extensions (drivers).

Emulation is very good, you won't have problems with running MacOs, apps and games.
One minor exception, SheepShaver doesn't emulate the MMU, which isn't used by MacOS but is needed for other OSes.

You can find setup guides at emaculation.

Favourite games, that's a tough question, LucasArts classics are great in high res, Dark Forces in 640*480 for instance.
Wolfenstein 3d on the Mac looks better than the PC version too, from memory.

An old one I remember playing on a compact classic back in the day is https://www.lysator.liu.se/~ingemar/games/ing … kiing-game.html
Quite fun while difficult.

Great information here, thank you.

I've spent the last day or so exploring OS 8.1 on an emulated Quadra with a 68040... it's certainly been an interesting experience seeing how different everything is. Having not grown up with Mac gives me the benefit of having a completely objective look on the operating system without any positive or negative memories to influence my opinion.

Wasn't aware that certain games were actually better on Mac compared to PC; I'll definitely keep that in mind.

Reply 4 of 7, by darkenedroom

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I'd just add that while I was emulating some classic mac flight sims I ended up using Qemu (again emaculation is a good place to start).

And often overlooked but MAME has some more hardware accurate mac emulation as well. This was the only emulator that managed to get the mac version of F-117 Stealth Fighter 2.0 running without crashing or graphical issues.

https://www.tales-from-darkenedroom.com/ - Retro PC gaming on Windows 10, technical aspects, flight sims and space sims a speciality

Reply 5 of 7, by Jo22

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lolo799 wrote on 2024-07-11, 18:33:

Favourite games, that's a tough question, LucasArts classics are great in high res, Dark Forces in 640*480 for instance.
Wolfenstein 3d on the Mac looks better than the PC version too, from memory.

I think same.

The good thing about Mac games or Mac ports from late 80s or 90s is that they have a higher screen resolution to work with than on PC of same time, often.

In essence, it's like this:

- 512x342 (or 512x348?) for monochrome games
- 512x384 or 640x480 for colour games (256c)

512x384 was half of 1024x768, interrestingly. Not sure if accident or not.
A 640x400 resolution did exist, too, for a short time. Not sure if games used it.
640x480 pels as a standard resolution for games got more popular during the System 7 and Windows 3.x days.

So you have the choice if you want to play on Mac using built-in QuickDraw or give the trio of Windows 3.1x+Win32s+WinG a chance. 😉
(QuickTime VR was made available to both platforms a like that need it.)

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Reply 6 of 7, by Trypticon

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Some of the early 80s mono Mac games can be troublesome on OS 6, for this reason it's useful to have early System Disks (like 3.0-5.0) ready. By default Mini VMac emulates the Mac Plus, there are other versions available from earlier (Mac 128k) to later color (Mac II). However, I also found Mame's coverage of models and accuracy helpful with some games.

Reply 7 of 7, by Jo22

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Trypticon wrote on 2024-11-18, 13:30:

Some of the early 80s mono Mac games can be troublesome on OS 6, for this reason it's useful to have early System Disks (like 3.0-5.0) ready. By default Mini VMac emulates the Mac Plus, there are other versions available from earlier (Mac 128k) to later color (Mac II). However, I also found Mame's coverage of models and accuracy helpful with some games.

Good point! Thanks! 😃

Btw, there's an website that hosts online emulations of various Mac environments.
Might be useful for testing purposes.
https://infinitemac.org/

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