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Bought these (retro) hardware today

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Reply 54900 of 55583, by stamasd

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The motherboard is a PC Chips M960G https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/pcchips-m960g chipset SiS661FX, s478, with a celeron-D 335 on it and 512MB of DDR-400.
There is no video output from either the IGP (SiS315) or from an AGP card. No beep codes. Keyboard LEDs don't flash when I power it up.
The codes on the POST card mean "reset signal was detected 3 or more times" and I get consistently the same code on power-up. The CMOS battery is new, just installed.
When powered up, the chipset does get warm, so does the CPU (it's a PresHott after all 😀 )

(I basically bought that just because I didn't have a s478 mobo with SiS chipset and was curious how it performs)

I/O, I/O,
It's off to disk I go,
With a bit and a byte
And a read and a write,
I/O, I/O

Reply 54901 of 55583, by myne

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Pull battery.
Wash.
Dry.
If no change, try bios recovery procedure.

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Reply 54902 of 55583, by stamasd

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The motherboard has already been cleaned (not that it needed to be, it was very clean to begin with)
I do not know the BIOS recovery procedure for this motherboard.

I/O, I/O,
It's off to disk I go,
With a bit and a byte
And a read and a write,
I/O, I/O

Reply 54903 of 55583, by Trashbytes

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stamasd wrote on 2024-10-27, 06:45:
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The motherboard is a PC Chips M960G https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/pcchips-m960g chipset SiS661FX, s478, with a celeron-D 335 on it and 512MB of DDR-400.
There is no video output from either the IGP (SiS315) or from an AGP card. No beep codes. Keyboard LEDs don't flash when I power it up.
The codes on the POST card mean "reset signal was detected 3 or more times" and I get consistently the same code on power-up. The CMOS battery is new, just installed.
When powered up, the chipset does get warm, so does the CPU (it's a PresHott after all 😀 )

(I basically bought that just because I didn't have a s478 mobo with SiS chipset and was curious how it performs)

My colour vision sucks but I swear that is a really nice pink PCB or is it red ?

Reply 54904 of 55583, by myne

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It's light red!

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=10154842173 … anity=redvsblue

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Reply 54905 of 55583, by stamasd

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It's red.
I tried a generic AMI bios recovery procedure; it doesn't work because the motherboard doesn't even try to access a floppy drive at power-on.

I/O, I/O,
It's off to disk I go,
With a bit and a byte
And a read and a write,
I/O, I/O

Reply 54906 of 55583, by myne

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Bios is removable at least.
Got another board for a hot flash?

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Reply 54907 of 55583, by stamasd

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No other board with this type of socket. And while I do have a TL866, I do not have a PLCC32 adapter for it.

I/O, I/O,
It's off to disk I go,
With a bit and a byte
And a read and a write,
I/O, I/O

Reply 54908 of 55583, by myne

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Well at least the adapters are cheap.
I still say wash it again.
Dishwasher with no soap has fixed quite a few dead things for me.

Multimeter?
Caps all look OK?
Components all look undamaged?

Pics?

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Reply 54909 of 55583, by PcBytes

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Tried forcing a checksum error? I'm not really sure if it applies to AMI, but usually forcing a checksum error by shorting address lines employs a bootblock of some sort I'd assume? At least I know Award does that.

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Reply 54910 of 55583, by stamasd

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Caps and all components look fine, the board overall looks pristine and almost unused.
Well I ordered an adapter, and as is the case with ebay purchases it'll get here between next week and next year. 😀
(the adapter cost half as much as the whole motherboard; $8 including shipping, and I paid $16 for the motherboard)

I/O, I/O,
It's off to disk I go,
With a bit and a byte
And a read and a write,
I/O, I/O

Reply 54911 of 55583, by myne

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Oh 🤣.
I was thinking more like half that
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/134744946189?_skw … ABk9SR_yXuM_ZZA

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Reply 54912 of 55583, by Trashbytes

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stamasd wrote on 2024-10-27, 07:34:

It's red.
I tried a generic AMI bios recovery procedure; it doesn't work because the motherboard doesn't even try to access a floppy drive at power-on.

You know what .. it looks like a pink colour to me and yup its weird but I do like that colour for PC parts, weirldy have a Iwin case for a ITX PC that is pink.

Reply 54913 of 55583, by PcBytes

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Today's scores:

- NMC 5VMMX - interesting SS7 ATX mobo, needs caps.
- Quantum Sirocco 2550AT - dead unfortunately 🙁

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Reply 54914 of 55583, by PD2JK

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5VMMX is an interesting name for a SS7 board!

i386 16 ⇒ i486 DX4 100 ⇒ Pentium MMX 200 ⇒ Athlon Orion 700 | TB 1000 ⇒ AthlonXP 1700+ ⇒ Opteron 165 ⇒ Dual Opteron 856

Reply 54915 of 55583, by Trashbytes

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PD2JK wrote on 2024-10-27, 11:56:

5VMMX is an interesting name for a SS7 board!

Runs 5volt CPUs and support MMX cpus perhaps.

Reply 54916 of 55583, by PcBytes

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Indeed it is. The EPoX counterpart is 99% this:

https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/epox-p … ix-ep-51mvp3e-m

The only difference on mine is the VRM, slightly. That, and it asks for some strange BIOS password... no, the specific EPOX BIOS password doesn't seem to work.

Upside: 1MB cache!

All in all, I might make this my main MVP3 board - I have a K6-II+ 500 waiting for it, as well as some nice period-correct drives 🤣

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Reply 54917 of 55583, by PD2JK

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Trashbytes wrote on 2024-10-27, 12:14:
PD2JK wrote on 2024-10-27, 11:56:

5VMMX is an interesting name for a SS7 board!

Runs 5volt CPUs and support MMX cpus perhaps.

Yes, but don't all SS7 boards support MMX? If so, that's what makes it a bit 'funny'.
5V socket 7 CPUs don't exist.

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Reply 54918 of 55583, by Trashbytes

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PD2JK wrote on 2024-10-27, 12:53:
Trashbytes wrote on 2024-10-27, 12:14:
PD2JK wrote on 2024-10-27, 11:56:

5VMMX is an interesting name for a SS7 board!

Runs 5volt CPUs and support MMX cpus perhaps.

Yes, but don't all SS7 boards support MMX? If so, that's what makes it a bit 'funny'.
5V socket 7 CPUs don't exist.

True . .it was just a guess based on the name, It does make sense aside from the points you make 🤣

Reply 54919 of 55583, by Wes1262

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momaka wrote on 2024-10-27, 06:30:
Nice! Still can't believe even these are hard to find now. 7-10 years ago when I used to browse the bay, these were at rock-bott […]
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Nice!
Still can't believe even these are hard to find now. 7-10 years ago when I used to browse the bay, these were at rock-bottom scrap prices working or otherwise, particularly the PCI-E versions... because, who'd want a top-end early PCI-E card? 😁 And a little before that, AGP cards like the Radeon 9700/9800 were in similar waters. Can't tell you how many R300 GPU's I've passed that were going for no more than $5-10 (and sometimes barely even making it over $1).
How times change.

Trashbytes wrote on 2024-10-26, 11:36:

hrmmm has dead in the image file name ...not a good omen 🤣

Haha, that's a hilarious find. 🤣
I'm willing to bet that it does work. Seems that ATI kind of started learning their lesson from the # of dead 9700/9800 GPUs. So for the x850 cards, the "dust blower" fan and heatsink assy. they used was much more inline with the TDP of the card.

Maybe it's an indication that these cards are prone to dying. Like the 9700 pro, they were super popular but most have failed due to the heatsink lifting itself away from the die. 🙁