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First post, by sydres

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Never having owned an external midi module I was very pleased to get a deal on an Roland ra-30, which I believe has had some discussion around these parts in the past. After getting a proper midi cable and sound cables I hooked the unit up to my audician 32 sound card and configured it under win98. I fired up a round of Doom and got great midi sound, able to control volume with the ra-30. About 5 minutes in I got a hanging note which didn't go away until I shut the ra-30 off. After getting things going again I tried another game- simcity 2000 and had it happen again after a few minutes of play. Other games were tried and did not have this issue even tried another round of Doom and did not have any problems seems random!
I always assumed hanging midi notes was a problem with sound blaster cards exclusively, or is the midi unit I'm using the issue?

Reply 1 of 15, by Munx

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I've used a couple of different midi boards on my Audician 32 (Dreamblaster S1 and a Roland one, I forget the model) and had no issues. Never tried an external midi player, though.

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Reply 2 of 15, by Joseph_Joestar

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I have a Yamaha YMF719 card hooked up to a Roland SC-155 and it works fine. No hanging notes during MIDI playback.

What sort of cable are you using to connect your card to the RA-30? The typical eBay kind are not always of good quality. Also, this info about MIDI IN might be relevant.

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Reply 3 of 15, by sydres

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The cable is a Casio brand cable. It was new in package.
I don't know if Casio made good cables but I trust the brand more than generic eBay cables. And looking at the other thread might explain it since I had both plugs in the back of the module?

Reply 4 of 15, by Tiido

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You definitely want to keep the MIDI IN cable disconnected, a number of games will misbehave when the MIDI synth can talk back to the computer/sound card/game.
As others, I have not experienced any issues with YMF71x and MIDI output in any game I have tried but the cards bearing this chip vary in quality quite a lot and some are terrible, some not so much...

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Reply 5 of 15, by sydres

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I haven't had any real complaints about the card but I should be getting in the mail what I believe is a ct3670 judging by the picture of the eBay sellers hand holding the card. Actually all I could make out was the ram slots and the position of one chip next to it. I will try on this card when it arrives

Reply 6 of 15, by sydres

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I'm still struggling with this hanging note problem. Mostly in Doom. Ordered an old gravis midi adapter hoping that it's just the Casio cable at fault. The other issue I'm working through is that when running the external midi the audician doesn't output sound fx in Doom I have to switch over to using the sound blaster16 output from the ct3670. If I turn off the external midi I get both music and sfx.

Reply 7 of 15, by bertrammatrix

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sydres wrote on 2024-09-17, 00:42:

I'm still struggling with this hanging note problem. Mostly in Doom. Ordered an old gravis midi adapter hoping that it's just the Casio cable at fault. The other issue I'm working through is that when running the external midi the audician doesn't output sound fx in Doom I have to switch over to using the sound blaster16 output from the ct3670. If I turn off the external midi I get both music and sfx.

I had an audican hang a note here and there while using a wavetable on it - between cleaning the wavetable and card pins and fiddling with the ISA bus frequency in bios - one of those fixed it

Reply 8 of 15, by sydres

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It seems like the problem is more than just a hanging note as it seems to be several notes simultaneously. prior to installing my second sound card it only happened on occasion with the second card installed it happens more frequently and in several games and midi players.
I switched the cable over to the ct3670 and the problem seems to have cleared, but the issues I'm having with sound effects on the audician continues. The card will output midi through the OPL fm but refuses to play sfx on games. The sound blaster does output sfx.
I'm thinking it may be a resource conflict even though Windows isn't reporting it. So my next step is to start troubleshooting those.
Who knows maybe it's a marginal cable or a bad card, but they were both new old stock so hopefully not.

Reply 9 of 15, by bertrammatrix

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sydres wrote on 2024-09-18, 23:53:
It seems like the problem is more than just a hanging note as it seems to be several notes simultaneously. prior to installing […]
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It seems like the problem is more than just a hanging note as it seems to be several notes simultaneously. prior to installing my second sound card it only happened on occasion with the second card installed it happens more frequently and in several games and midi players.
I switched the cable over to the ct3670 and the problem seems to have cleared, but the issues I'm having with sound effects on the audician continues. The card will output midi through the OPL fm but refuses to play sfx on games. The sound blaster does output sfx.
I'm thinking it may be a resource conflict even though Windows isn't reporting it. So my next step is to start troubleshooting those.
Who knows maybe it's a marginal cable or a bad card, but they were both new old stock so hopefully not.

Have you tried shuffling it from slot to slot? Between 3 cards I was dealing with one was super picky. In one computer it would work properly in any slot, but in another only in one particular one, even though two other audicans also worked in ANY slot in that system O.O

Reply 10 of 15, by bertrammatrix

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I'd suggest to remove the ct while you try to troubleshoot the original audican issue first.

For as much as I don't care for creative cards they DO tend to just work and seem to deal better with being in a "random" slot

Have you tried shuffling it from slot to slot? Between 3 cards I was dealing with one was super picky. In one computer it would work properly in any slot, but in another only in one particular one, even though two other audicans also worked in ANY slot in that system O.O

Reply 11 of 15, by sydres

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So I disabled the sound blaster and rebooted the computer after which the audician started working correctly. Then after i re enabled sound blaster everything seems to be working correctly, I have not switched the cable back to the audician but it can stay. Now I need to get time to thoroughly test both cards to make sure that I can switch back and forth depending on game. Then it's on to testing under DOS.

Reply 12 of 15, by sydres

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I installed a gravis midi adapter on the audician and midi is still crapping out so I think that midi will stay on the sound blaster 32 and the audician will be used only for fm synth and joysticks. Not sure why it's giving me so much grief.

Reply 13 of 15, by bertrammatrix

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sydres wrote on 2024-09-21, 03:20:

I installed a gravis midi adapter on the audician and midi is still crapping out so I think that midi will stay on the sound blaster 32 and the audician will be used only for fm synth and joysticks. Not sure why it's giving me so much grief.

Did you try messing with the isa bus frequency? IO recovery cycles or any bios settings like that? Is the behavior different in a different slot?

Reply 14 of 15, by sydres

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I haven't tried that yet as I have been busy working and only have a few minutes at a shot to do it. The board is a 440bx board and only has the two ISA slots. I'm hoping I can get time in the next couple weeks to tear the system down give it a good cleaning and change out a few other things I've been holding off on. Other than the trouble I've had with the sound card. The only other problem is I can't locate the correct micro code update so I can swap out the CPU. Dug through the Fujitsu Siemens website and nothing worked. Otherwise it's been a rock solid system. Been debating sticking in the Yamaha pci sound card I have in my athlon xp system and sticking an audigy in that one.

Reply 15 of 15, by sydres

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bertrammatrix wrote on 2024-09-22, 03:26:
sydres wrote on 2024-09-21, 03:20:

I installed a gravis midi adapter on the audician and midi is still crapping out so I think that midi will stay on the sound blaster 32 and the audician will be used only for fm synth and joysticks. Not sure why it's giving me so much grief.

Did you try messing with the isa bus frequency? IO recovery cycles or any bios settings like that? Is the behavior different in a different slot?

I appreciate the pointers and I will give a look for those settings. Thank you!