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The Rage 128 Line of cards is confusing as heck

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First post, by Wes1262

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Apart the very obvious and very expensive MAXX, how would you sort the remaining Rage 128 cards from worst to best?

The 128 Pro Ultra has the fastest frequencies (probably) but it's 64 bit? Or does it exist as a 128 bit card?

Either way, the Pro Ultra seems to exist only on a small PCB, whereas the Pro non Ultra has VIVO and seems a fully featured card.

Some 16mb even exist with DVI rather than VIVO. Or are perhaps the AIWs the best cards, performance wise? I am so confused.

Reply 1 of 21, by dominusprog

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Rage < Rage 128 < Rage Fury.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATI_Rage

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Reply 2 of 21, by marxveix

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Rage 128 Pro is bit better than Rage128 and there is Rage Fury Maxx (2xRage128Pro). We have 64/128bit versions @16/32MB@different clock speeds.

Rage 128/128Pro cards with DVI are for Mac, same goes with Rage Pro (even 16MB version exist for Mac, it is not Rage128 cards, it is older ATi gen).

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Reply 3 of 21, by paradigital

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Are Rage Fury Maxx even that expensive, as in, do any of the overpriced auctions actually sell?

I bought mine for £50 18 months ago, possibly still a little overpriced, but not by as much as you’d think.

Reply 4 of 21, by marxveix

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paradigital wrote on 2024-09-18, 19:21:

Are Rage Fury Maxx even that expensive, as in, do any of the overpriced auctions actually sell?

I bought mine for £50 18 months ago, possibly still a little overpriced, but not by as much as you’d think.

With that price i would by Rage Fury Maxx for me, still they are only Win9x cards @ dual gpu. I have many Rage128Pro cards and they are widely available at low cost.

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Reply 5 of 21, by leileilol

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Rage 128's the first.
Rage Fury is Rage 128.
Rage 128 Pro / Fury Pro's the second iteration and adds DXTC
Pro Ultra is an OEM variant.
Fury Maxx was the most infamous/overrated for the premature double GPU novelty
XPERT 2000's are also Rage 128 Pros

dominusprog wrote on 2024-09-18, 18:39:

Rage < Rage 128 < Rage Furry.

This thread is dedicated to the particular Rage 128 lineup, not the entire Rage brand, so good job with that smug-first-reply. also what's a rage furry

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Reply 6 of 21, by soggi

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marxveix wrote on 2024-09-18, 19:29:
paradigital wrote on 2024-09-18, 19:21:

Are Rage Fury Maxx even that expensive, as in, do any of the overpriced auctions actually sell?

I bought mine for £50 18 months ago, possibly still a little overpriced, but not by as much as you’d think.

With that price i would by Rage Fury Maxx for me, still they are only Win9x cards @ dual gpu. I have many Rage128Pro cards and they are widely available at low cost.

~15 years ago I had the chance to buy one for 15,- EUR (if I remember correctly)...could kick myself that I didn't bought it. The Rage Fury MAXX is much rarer than a Voodoo5 5500 but doesn't have the hype - the latter I got in original packaging for 150,- EUR ~10 years ago.

BTW there's also a prototype of a dual Rage 6 (first Radeon's original code name) card.

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Reply 7 of 21, by jtchip

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The Vogons wiki has a list of card names vs. chips/memory/width. Rather confusingly the Xpert 2000 Pro is a Rage 128 GL 32MB 128b while the Xpert 2000 PRO (notice the difference in capitalisation) is a Rage 128 Pro 32MB 128b. The original Xpert 2000 at launch is a Rage 128 GL 32MB 64b.

Reply 9 of 21, by Wes1262

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jtchip wrote on 2024-09-19, 01:02:

The Vogons wiki has a list of card names vs. chips/memory/width. Rather confusingly the Xpert 2000 Pro is a Rage 128 GL 32MB 128b while the Xpert 2000 PRO (notice the difference in capitalisation) is a Rage 128 Pro 32MB 128b. The original Xpert 2000 at launch is a Rage 128 GL 32MB 64b.

That's a nice list, too bad it doesn't have any photos! So the SGRAM ones are the fastest, or the 134mhz ones do better?

Reply 10 of 21, by paradigital

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soggi wrote on 2024-09-19, 00:32:
~15 years ago I had the chance to buy one for 15,- EUR (if I remember correctly)...could kick myself that I didn't bought it. Th […]
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marxveix wrote on 2024-09-18, 19:29:
paradigital wrote on 2024-09-18, 19:21:

Are Rage Fury Maxx even that expensive, as in, do any of the overpriced auctions actually sell?

I bought mine for £50 18 months ago, possibly still a little overpriced, but not by as much as you’d think.

With that price i would by Rage Fury Maxx for me, still they are only Win9x cards @ dual gpu. I have many Rage128Pro cards and they are widely available at low cost.

~15 years ago I had the chance to buy one for 15,- EUR (if I remember correctly)...could kick myself that I didn't bought it. The Rage Fury MAXX is much rarer than a Voodoo5 5500 but doesn't have the hype - the latter I got in original packaging for 150,- EUR ~10 years ago.

BTW there's also a prototype of a dual Rage 6 (first Radeon's original code name) card.

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At €15 I’d have bitten their arm off. I do have a 5500 (PCI) also, but I took a punt on one that needed repair, it cost around £75, bit of a gamble but it paid off.

Reply 11 of 21, by Putas

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Wes1262 wrote on 2024-09-19, 04:49:
jtchip wrote on 2024-09-19, 01:02:

The Vogons wiki has a list of card names vs. chips/memory/width. Rather confusingly the Xpert 2000 Pro is a Rage 128 GL 32MB 128b while the Xpert 2000 PRO (notice the difference in capitalisation) is a Rage 128 Pro 32MB 128b. The original Xpert 2000 at launch is a Rage 128 GL 32MB 64b.

That's a nice list, too bad it doesn't have any photos! So the SGRAM ones are the fastest, or the 134mhz ones do better?

It depends.

Reply 12 of 21, by marxveix

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soggi wrote on 2024-09-19, 00:32:
~15 years ago I had the chance to buy one for 15,- EUR (if I remember correctly)...could kick myself that I didn't bought it. Th […]
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marxveix wrote on 2024-09-18, 19:29:
paradigital wrote on 2024-09-18, 19:21:

Are Rage Fury Maxx even that expensive, as in, do any of the overpriced auctions actually sell?

I bought mine for £50 18 months ago, possibly still a little overpriced, but not by as much as you’d think.

With that price i would by Rage Fury Maxx for me, still they are only Win9x cards @ dual gpu. I have many Rage128Pro cards and they are widely available at low cost.

~15 years ago I had the chance to buy one for 15,- EUR (if I remember correctly)...could kick myself that I didn't bought it. The Rage Fury MAXX is much rarer than a Voodoo5 5500 but doesn't have the hype - the latter I got in original packaging for 150,- EUR ~10 years ago.

BTW there's also a prototype of a dual Rage 6 (first Radeon's original code name) card.

kind regards
soggi

I had Voodoo 5 5500 once, but i changed it to a lot of very old CPUs, now i own Voodoo 1 up to Voodoo3, no Voodoo 4 or Voodoo 5 at the moment.
My first Radeon card was Hercules 3DProphet 8500 LE 64MB AGP and from dual cards i have Radeon HD 3870 X2, but no dual Rage 6 or Maxx.

Rage128 is good up to Directx6/7, but Win 3x and CIF was gone. Proper DVD playback acceleration added and 8 pit palleted textures still working.
Different naming, but under the hood still Rage 4/Rage128 chip. I see more Rage 128 Pro cards, than the first 128 ones out there or i look for Pro.

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Reply 13 of 21, by Spark

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The page on wikipedia regarding the rage 128 pro is intriguing. It mentions the pro has "better texture filtering" than the 128 non-pro. I wonder if this refers to the sub-par bilinear filter optimization mentioned on the vintage3d rage pro page? (https://vintage3d.org/rage3.php) Or maybe it's refering to 16-bit dithering.

Reply 14 of 21, by dominusprog

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leileilol wrote on 2024-09-18, 22:22:
Rage 128's the first. Rage Fury is Rage 128. Rage 128 Pro / Fury Pro's the second iteration and adds DXTC Pro Ultra is an OEM v […]
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Rage 128's the first.
Rage Fury is Rage 128.
Rage 128 Pro / Fury Pro's the second iteration and adds DXTC
Pro Ultra is an OEM variant.
Fury Maxx was the most infamous/overrated for the premature double GPU novelty
XPERT 2000's are also Rage 128 Pros

dominusprog wrote on 2024-09-18, 18:39:

Rage < Rage 128 < Rage Furry.

This thread is dedicated to the particular Rage 128 lineup, not the entire Rage brand, so good job with that smug-first-reply. also what's a rage furry

Smug? What are you talking about? I'm so sorry about misspelling the ATi Rage Fury™️. I didn't realize that a grammar nazi was lurking around.

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Reply 15 of 21, by Zup

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dominusprog wrote on 2024-09-18, 18:39:

Rage < Rage 128 < Rage Furry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATI_Rage

I'd like to see what happen if you ask some AI to get a picture of a Rage Furry.

Or not. Maybe that's not a good idea.

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Reply 16 of 21, by dominusprog

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Zup wrote on 2024-09-19, 17:46:
dominusprog wrote on 2024-09-18, 18:39:

Rage < Rage 128 < Rage Furry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATI_Rage

I'd like to see what happen if you ask some AI to get a picture of a Rage Furry.

Or not. Maybe that's not a good idea.

To be honest I totally forgot that furry is a word.

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Reply 18 of 21, by Wes1262

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Putas wrote on 2024-09-19, 06:26:
Wes1262 wrote on 2024-09-19, 04:49:
jtchip wrote on 2024-09-19, 01:02:

The Vogons wiki has a list of card names vs. chips/memory/width. Rather confusingly the Xpert 2000 Pro is a Rage 128 GL 32MB 128b while the Xpert 2000 PRO (notice the difference in capitalisation) is a Rage 128 Pro 32MB 128b. The original Xpert 2000 at launch is a Rage 128 GL 32MB 64b.

That's a nice list, too bad it doesn't have any photos! So the SGRAM ones are the fastest, or the 134mhz ones do better?

It depends.

Guess I'll try to get both. Although it seems the "Magnum" was intended to be one with the most features and perf, etc. First time I read the name Magnum by the way eheh.

Reply 19 of 21, by soggi

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paradigital wrote on 2024-09-19, 06:08:

At €15 I’d have bitten their arm off. I do have a 5500 (PCI) also, but I took a punt on one that needed repair, it cost around £75, bit of a gamble but it paid off.

As said...colud kick myself. 😒 I own a small/medium collection of voodoos w/o any special things...see the paragraph below.

marxveix wrote on 2024-09-19, 09:37:

I had Voodoo 5 5500 once, but i changed it to a lot of very old CPUs, now i own Voodoo 1 up to Voodoo3, no Voodoo 4 or Voodoo 5 at the moment.
My first Radeon card was Hercules 3DProphet 8500 LE 64MB AGP and from dual cards i have Radeon HD 3870 X2, but no dual Rage 6 or Maxx.

The Hercules Hercules 3DProphet 8500 LE 64MB AGP was also my first Radeon, following a Gainward GeForce 2 something and a 3dfx Voodoo3 3000 @200 MHz (sandwich cooled). Couldn't find it, but I recall (hopefully correctly) that @yjfy has posted a Rage 6 dual prototype on Twitter...so you definitely didn't have one, there was no dual Radeon before Radeon HD 3870 X2.

As said above... I own a small/medium collection of voodoos w/o any special things... 6x Voodoo Graphics, 1x Voodoo Rush, 7x Voodoo2, 1x Voodoo Banshee, 5x Voodoo3 AGP (1x 2000, 2x 3000, 2x 3500), 1x Voodoo5 5500 AGP. Except the Voodoo5 I got all for a very small price +/-20 years ago.

dominusprog wrote on 2024-09-19, 16:16:
leileilol wrote on 2024-09-18, 22:22:
Rage 128's the first. Rage Fury is Rage 128. Rage 128 Pro / Fury Pro's the second iteration and adds DXTC Pro Ultra is an OEM v […]
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Rage 128's the first.
Rage Fury is Rage 128.
Rage 128 Pro / Fury Pro's the second iteration and adds DXTC
Pro Ultra is an OEM variant.
Fury Maxx was the most infamous/overrated for the premature double GPU novelty
XPERT 2000's are also Rage 128 Pros

dominusprog wrote on 2024-09-18, 18:39:

Rage < Rage 128 < Rage Furry.

This thread is dedicated to the particular Rage 128 lineup, not the entire Rage brand, so good job with that smug-first-reply. also what's a rage furry

Smug? What are you talking about? I'm so sorry about misspelling the ATi Rage Fury™️. I didn't realize that a grammar nazi was lurking around.

leileilol's post wasn't about your grammar, but about you were just throwing in a link in the first answer to the TO and mixed up "Rage" (the name of many series of chips like Rage, Rage II(+), Rage IIc, Rage Pro, Rage XL, Rage 128, Rage 128 Pro, Mobility, Mobility 128), "Rage 128" (the Rage 128 non-Pro series) and "Rage Fur(r)y" which isn't a chip at all but a specific video card from ATI, the "ATI Rage Fury"with Rage 128 (non-Pro). So that others could ask you "What are you talking about? It doesn't make any sense." and call it "smug". I didn't because I don't have any offensive diction, but I asked myself...

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