ElectroSoldier wrote on 2024-09-13, 04:10:

Hey guys.

I was hoping somebody with some knowledge or experience of the SHUTTLE XPC SN45G-V2 could help me.

I wonder if you could tell me if an ATi X800 GTO will fit in the case or is that card to long for the slot?

Used to run a Sapphire3850 AGP in identical Shuttles without modding so if the X800 is the same size it should be ok. Though it was a bit squeezey inside and ran hot even with the vented case cover (optional extra). Also check the PSU, I bought the upgraded 300W - from memory the stock PSU is a bit anaemic.

It has a 250w PSU fitted.
Do you think an X800 GTO would be better suited?

I wouldn't push it with a 250W PSU of that model to put inside a 3850, the case is very small and is prone to accumulate heat inside. And the card itself is capable of pulling 100+ X of power, too much for such a small PSU.

I have a slightly newer XPC with a nForce3 chip set, I updated the CPU from A64 3200+ to a 3800+ x2 (a 89W CPU) to which I decreased voltage to 1.1V and inserted an X800 PRO, it works OK, temperatures of CPU go in range ~55C and GPU up to 60C... I tried with a X800XT as well, worked good also, but 3D mark scores were slightly lower, so I returned the X800 pro.

Also tried with Nvidia 7800/7900 graphics, those were extremely hot, so I went back to X800 series.

Ok.
In that case in looking for as good a card I can get to run Win98.
It has an Athlon XP 3200+ and either 512 or 1Gb RAM,

ElectroSoldier wrote on 2024-09-13, 04:10:

Hey guys.

I was hoping somebody with some knowledge or experience of the SHUTTLE XPC SN45G-V2 could help me.

I wonder if you could tell me if an ATi X800 GTO will fit in the case or is that card to long for the slot?

should be do-able tho may need some modification, i've got a similar sized case, mines a morex venus, excuse my crappy camera.

mine had the PSU in a different spot so i was able to cut some of the case with an angle grinder and drill a couple of holes to fit a full size PSU

then one night i deceided to cram a 980ti inside, it was too late to use an angle grinder, so i went at it with a pair of tin snips, it was a bit of a hack job but it worked, had to cut a bunch of the inside out as well as the front of the chassis.

it fits!, well sort of, also had to break some plastic off the front bezel, if it had been the other morex venus with the different face it probably wouldnt have fit.

Yeah I wasnt thinking of going quite that big.
Thats like putting a big block V8 in a Mini Metro!

ElectroSoldier wrote on 2024-09-14, 01:09:

Yeah I wasnt thinking of going quite that big.
Thats like putting a big block V8 in a Mini Metro!

🤣 i actually own a mini metro red hot, no V8 just a 1275.

You won't have any trouble with that size card. I actually just built an SN45G for a friend although it ended up with an FX5200 in it (maybe I'm not a good friend 😅). But anyway, you'll be fine with that card. I have another Shuttle, an SN85G4, which is more or less the same chassis (same space for a graphics card at least) and I have an X800 Pro in that. It gets toasty of course but again, no problem fitting it in and it runs just fine.

As reported back in the day, the power supplies Shuttle used were surprisingly capable and people (myself included) ran some pretty high end kit in them without any issues. Just get used to components running quite hot, albeit within their specs.

Shadzilla wrote on 2024-09-14, 08:06:

You won't have any trouble with that size card. I actually just built an SN45G for a friend although it ended up with an FX5200 in it (maybe I'm not a good friend 😅). But anyway, you'll be fine with that card. I have another Shuttle, an SN85G4, which is more or less the same chassis (same space for a graphics card at least) and I have an X800 Pro in that. It gets toasty of course but again, no problem fitting it in and it runs just fine.

As reported back in the day, the power supplies Shuttle used were surprisingly capable and people (myself included) ran some pretty high end kit in them without any issues. Just get used to components running quite hot, albeit within their specs.

for dos/98 and early xp an fx5200 is a solid choice in terms of compatibilty, i use one in mine so i'd say you're a good friend. 🤣, but yeah heat is another problem with cases this small, the 980ti puts out quite a lot, if im gaming i have to leave the cover off for fear of burning the whole thing out, otherwise it turns into a space heater that gets so hot i reckon i could fry an egg on it, also i had a full size dvd drive in it, i had to cut one corner off to fit it over the gpu, in the end i took it out as it wasnt doing much for the already non existent air flow, also the heat from the gpu killed what little life it had left.🤣

Shadzilla wrote on 2024-09-14, 08:06:

You won't have any trouble with that size card. I actually just built an SN45G for a friend although it ended up with an FX5200 in it (maybe I'm not a good friend 😅). But anyway, you'll be fine with that card. I have another Shuttle, an SN85G4, which is more or less the same chassis (same space for a graphics card at least) and I have an X800 Pro in that. It gets toasty of course but again, no problem fitting it in and it runs just fine.

As reported back in the day, the power supplies Shuttle used were surprisingly capable and people (myself included) ran some pretty high end kit in them without any issues. Just get used to components running quite hot, albeit within their specs.

You mean an X800 GTO or X800 XL?

I'm not to familiar with the differences between the two but seen you guys talk about them a bit.

I could look at fitting an intake fan in the 5.25" bay if you think heat will be a problem.

X800 Pro is what I've got in my SN85 at the moment (power consumption and clocks are broadly similar to the GTO although supposidly the Pro is faster.. probably not a lot in it in the real world). Back in the day I had a 9800 Pro in there, no issues with that either. Back then I replaced the Sn85 with an ST20G5 and in that I had a series of ATI cards - X800 GT, X1950 GT, and HD3850 - and never had any cooling or power supply issues.

More cooling won't hurt though especially as all of these things get older. Shuttles are supposed to draw air in through the holes on the sides and out through the ICE fan/heatsink. However, at least one varient of their PSUs has an exhaust that dumps hot air into the case, which is not ideal. If you get some kind of 5.25" bay cooler you might need to experiment using it as an intake or an exhaust to see what works best.

So I looked this up on google.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon- … 9%20W%20maximum.

It states that the TDP is 49W and suggests a 200w PSU.
Is that accurate?

The system as I said has a 250w PSU but it has an Athlon XP 3200+. I dont know if that was a particularly power hungry CPU.
I will be fitting a SCSI controller card too. Not sure about the hard disk. If the cooler on the card is quite then I will get a quiet disk to go with it otherwise I would use a SCSI screamer.

The 3200+ is a 77W TDP chip (according to the same site) so presumably the power consumption is around that area. Combine that with the card, your SCSI controller, a mechanical drive and the motherboard... I don't imagine that getting much above 200W under full load at worst, personally. I think this is why Shuttles were usually fine with PSUs that we'd consider quite inadequate now, purely because components back then actually used sensible amounts of power unlike modern parts.

Just remember that the card you linked to there is a PCIe variant, and the SN45 is an AGP/PCI system.

I got the computer yesterday, it was brand new, the case sides have little holes in them for ventilation.
I'm not sure to buy an X800 GTO or an X800 XL.
Or maybe try a Ti4200, that wouldn't be a bad card for the Win98 games I intend to play on it...
Might stretch it and try Dawn of war. But things like Rainbow six rogue spear, hitman, doom II etc.

What do you think, what would you put in it?

Hard disk I was thinking of either a 500Gb SSHD with startech adapter, or a 250Gb IDE disk. But if heat is going to be a problem I could use a CF card. Not sure. No fixes ideas yet.