Both Abit Slocket!!! AB-FC370 and Gigabyte GA-6R7+support the last generation Coppermine cpu's. The SP 370 slotket on Ebay is an earlier model designed for 66mhz Celeron.
Re Motherboard: my vote goes to the Asus P3V 4X (rev 1.02).

PARKE wrote on 2023-10-24, 15:34:

Both Abit Slocket!!! AB-FC370 and Gigabyte GA-6R7+support the last generation Coppermine cpu's. The SP 370 slotket on Ebay is an earlier model designed for 66mhz Celeron.
Re Motherboard: my vote goes to the Asus P3V 4X (rev 1.02).

Doesn’t Nehemiah require Tualatin compatible slotket or modding those Coppermine slotkets, though?

Going to be following this.
I have often thought about those old VIA CPUs and what they can do.

GeForce 2GTS definately is strong enough for this build. If you have one laying around, a good Gf4 Ti would be nice too. It's way too new for this build to be period correct but certainly will make you get out every bit the cpu power. And gives you higher resolution on lots of genres ofc.

I'd skip the M64 to be honest, for this build it will feel like a dud. That's something you'd put in a cost cut Celeron 333 system with 64MB ram and lame pc chips motherboard.

Voodoo 2 will give you Windows 3dfx support but the nGlide will do that as well on those better GeForce cards. That would be a little easier on the wallet if you don't already have the Voodoo. But it will render out DOS 3dfx if I'm not mistaking, anyone can tell here?

CharlieFoxtrot wrote on 2023-10-24, 18:03:

PARKE wrote on 2023-10-24, 15:34:

Both Abit Slocket!!! AB-FC370 and Gigabyte GA-6R7+support the last generation Coppermine cpu's. The SP 370 slotket on Ebay is an earlier model designed for 66mhz Celeron.
Re Motherboard: my vote goes to the Asus P3V 4X (rev 1.02).

Doesn’t Nehemiah require Tualatin compatible slotket or modding those Coppermine slotkets, though?

No, it works with slotket adapters that supports Coppermine CPUs right out of the box.

Great thanks, will use the Asus P3V 4X with Abit Socket!!!, I will update to the latest BIOS. however I did come across these BIOS's Modified BIOSes for ASUS P3B-F, P3V4X, P3V133, CUBX, CUBX-E/L and P3C-E
are these suggested? What is a "crisis recovery procedure". does it mean have a working BIOS chip to replace should anything go wrong, or have an out of socket BIOS re-programmer for recovery?

jabz11 wrote on 2023-10-25, 01:55:

Great thanks, will use the Asus P3V 4X with Abit Socket!!!, I will update to the latest BIOS. however I did come across these BIOS's Modified BIOSes for ASUS P3B-F, P3V4X, P3V133, CUBX, CUBX-E/L and P3C-E
are these suggested?

Yes, I'm currently using the latest modded ASUS P2-99 BIOS from him.

What is a "crisis recovery procedure". does it mean have a working BIOS chip to replace should anything go wrong, or have an out of socket BIOS re-programmer for recovery?

That's just in case something goes wrong either during or after the BIOS flashing procedure, but don't worry much about that.

great thanks will progress with that.
Does anyone know what other mainboards are ideal for the Via C3 Nehemiah cpus? May get one just as a backup for the future.

Socket 370 is out of my reach especially tualatin compatible. I have a gigabyte slot 1 board with universal agp, compatible with 866mhz 133 MHz fsb Pentium iii. Looking to marry it with 5900xt but doesn't have sblink nor isa slot. Looks like an OEM board for advent with solder points for unpopulated isa. Don't know if it's a side grade from current piii 700mhz + ymf744 sblink + voodoo 3 2000

jabz11 wrote on 2023-10-25, 21:30:

Does anyone know what other mainboards are ideal for the Via C3 Nehemiah cpus? May get one just as a backup for the future.

The Gigabyte GA-6XBC rev 2.0 with PowerLeap BIOS, based on the Intel 440BX chipset (which doesn't officially support 133 MHz FSB) and one of these that has the 50 MHz FSB setting.

gmaverick2k wrote on 2023-10-25, 21:43:

Socket 370 is out of my reach especially tualatin compatible. I have a gigabyte slot 1 board with universal agp, compatible with 866mhz 133 MHz fsb Pentium iii. Looking to marry it with 5900xt but doesn't have sblink nor isa slot. Looks like an OEM board for advent with solder points for unpopulated isa. Don't know if it's a side grade from current piii 700mhz + ymf744 sblink + voodoo 3 2000

Performance-wise, it is a side-grade. The VIA C3 Nehemiah 1.2A being comparable to a PIII-750, but the main point here is around the flexibility they have (even better with a motherboard where the FSB can be changed either thru software or BIOS) when slowing down the computer to deal with speed-sensitive software.

Gmlb256 wrote on 2023-10-26, 12:23:

The Gigabyte GA-6XBC rev 2.0 with PowerLeap BIOS, based on the Intel 440BX chipset (which doesn't officially support 133 MHz FSB […]
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jabz11 wrote on 2023-10-25, 21:30:

Does anyone know what other mainboards are ideal for the Via C3 Nehemiah cpus? May get one just as a backup for the future.

The Gigabyte GA-6XBC rev 2.0 with PowerLeap BIOS, based on the Intel 440BX chipset (which doesn't officially support 133 MHz FSB) and one of these that has the 50 MHz FSB setting.

gmaverick2k wrote on 2023-10-25, 21:43:

Socket 370 is out of my reach especially tualatin compatible. I have a gigabyte slot 1 board with universal agp, compatible with 866mhz 133 MHz fsb Pentium iii. Looking to marry it with 5900xt but doesn't have sblink nor isa slot. Looks like an OEM board for advent with solder points for unpopulated isa. Don't know if it's a side grade from current piii 700mhz + ymf744 sblink + voodoo 3 2000

Performance-wise, it is a side-grade. The VIA C3 Nehemiah 1.2A being comparable to a PIII-750, but the main point here is around the flexibility they have (even better with a motherboard where the FSB can be changed either thru software or BIOS) when slowing down the computer to deal with speed-sensitive software.

fair do's...

I'm currently testing to do a similar biuld. I'm cheaping out though, as I currently only have a Intel branded 440BX board, and a OEM VIA Apollo 133 as a fall back option.
I have been getting a lot of helpful advice from the VIA initiated on the forum.

So it's been a while, I was collecting components and time got away. Lately I got a new GA-6BXC mainboard so thought Id start the build with it, but I ended up having to create another post specifically for it as I'm having issues with.
To progress this build I pulled the GA-6BXC out to diagnose separately. In the mean time I used the Asus P3V 4X (rev 1.02) updated the BIOS, and its booting fine with the VIA C3 and detecting correctly at 1.2GHz. Great thing is with the Slocket and the Mainboard I just set everything to auto, and configured the BIOS correctly and it works.
The Voodoo3 AGP is working too I set the VGA selection to AGP, PCI in the BIOS.

I might be having bad luck with "new" old components since I couldn't get the new Liteon DVDROM CDRW drive I got to work, I have temp replaced it with a CDRW to get Win98se installed.
Then I got to thinking since I'm using this CPU, I want to also play some direct x 8-9 games, so WinXP is ideal. I will dual boot Win98se and WinXP, I will get DOS covered by the WIn98SE install, so I don't need a seperate DOS 6.22 install.

My question is around the video card, I have a Voodoo3 AGP, If I get a Geforce 2 mx/gts (for Win XP) would I be able to use a VGA passthrough, so both cards can be used? Games which support Glide can use the Voodoo3 from passthrough? What would happen in DOS?

Otherwise since my monitor is the Sony Trinitron 19" CPD-G400 it has a 2nd VGA input, I would connect input 1 to the Voodoo3, and input 2 to the Geforce2, although how would switching work? Do I use the VGA Bios setting, by changing it to PCI, AGP for WINXP?

jabz11 wrote on 2024-09-08, 13:03:

So it's been a while, I was collecting components and time got away. Lately I got a new GA-6BXC mainboard so thought Id start […]
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So it's been a while, I was collecting components and time got away. Lately I got a new GA-6BXC mainboard so thought Id start the build with it, but I ended up having to create another post specifically for it as I'm having issues with.
To progress this build I pulled the GA-6BXC out to diagnose separately. In the mean time I used the Asus P3V 4X (rev 1.02) updated the BIOS, and its booting fine with the VIA C3 and detecting correctly at 1.2GHz. Great thing is with the Slocket and the Mainboard I just set everything to auto, and configured the BIOS correctly and it works.
The Voodoo3 AGP is working too I set the VGA selection to AGP, PCI in the BIOS.

I might be having bad luck with "new" old components since I couldn't get the new Liteon DVDROM CDRW drive I got to work, I have temp replaced it with a CDRW to get Win98se installed.
Then I got to thinking since I'm using this CPU, I want to also play some direct x 8-9 games, so WinXP is ideal. I will dual boot Win98se and WinXP, I will get DOS covered by the WIn98SE install, so I don't need a seperate DOS 6.22 install.

My question is around the video card, I have a Voodoo3 AGP, If I get a Geforce 2 mx/gts (for Win XP) would I be able to use a VGA passthrough, so both cards can be used? Games which support Glide can use the Voodoo3 from passthrough? What would happen in DOS?

Otherwise since my monitor is the Sony Trinitron 19" CPD-G400 it has a 2nd VGA input, I would connect input 1 to the Voodoo3, and input 2 to the Geforce2, although how would switching work? Do I use the VGA Bios setting, by changing it to PCI, AGP for WINXP?

Geforce 2 GTS is AGP and Voodoo3 is AGP ...so how are you putting both in the same system ?

If its a GF2 MX400 PCI then it may be possible since you can disable D3D in the Voodoo drivers IIRC but the Voodoo 3 doesn't have any way to pass through video and neither does the MX400.

Dual cards should install just fine under XP but the setup you want will be rather complicated to work, if you had a Voodoo2 then it would be far simpler as you could just set it up with the Passthrough cable. Give your dual input idea a shot under XP, you should be able to switch via the monitor itself by using either input 1 or 2 as the source. The question then is will XP handle this setup gracefully, I'm not sure about this honestly as I have never tried such a GPU setup before and older windows versions dont have all the options modern windows does for display outputs.

My other suggestion would be to consider moving to a Geforce 4 Ti card and to run Glide games using a Glide wrapper, its not perfect but would remove all the issues your setup is likely to pose.

Others here may have ideas on how to make it work better.

I have it the other way in a Win98 build. GF4 in AGP and Voodoo 3 in PCI

Most games will output to the primary graphics card set in bios which is the GF4.
Glide games are then "forced" onto the Voodoo.

I only have game (Powerslide) that doesn't like this setup, for this I have to disable the GF4 in Device Manager.

I'm using 2 screens, so don't know about passthrough.

Im gonna sell off the Voodoo3 and do a voodoo2 sli with a geforce 4. I have a voodoo2 already, and had the sli setup back in the day.

jabz11 wrote on 2024-09-09, 10:47:

Im gonna sell off the Voodoo3 and do a voodoo2 sli with a geforce 4. I have a voodoo2 already, and had the sli setup back in the day.

That will be a much easier setup to run across both 98 and XP and deactivating D3D in the Voodoo2 control panel is a super easy way to force D3D to the GF4.

Will be a beast of a gaming setup too !

Dont forget to throw in some EAX goodness or an A3D card if you have it.

Thanks, I will look into the EAX setup..
Turns out the Skywell Magic 3D II Voodoo2 I got is faulty, so returning it and have found another reasonably priced one, but its made by STB however the board looks identical to my working Skywell Magic 3D II, I guess they are made based on the 3dfx reference board? Anyway hoping it will work in SLI mode.

I am having an issue Tomb Raider, I have the Tomb Raider Gold install, and when I launch Tomb Raider 3D (3dfx) version, the game starts, shows the first intro screen then the Eidos screen, then goes to a back screen and hangs... this happens in both Dos and Windows. .. anyone know what might be the issue?

Yeh most V2 cards look similar.
Official drivers don't support SLI unless the cards are identical, but you can use unofficial ones like Fastvoodoo just fine.
https://www.3dfxzone.it/dir/news/3dfx/fastvoodoo2_4.6

Do any other glide games work?