Yes, that heat sink is definitely too small for an Athlon.
The ones I use look like this:

As to if they will fit or not in your case... I don't know.

About the CPU, maybe you can get away with a Barton or a Thoroughbred. If you care about heat, late Durons (Applebred) are almost the same as the Thoroughbreds but with a smaller TDP. They have a smaller cache though, but if you want, you can even mod them to enable the full cache.

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Yes, that heat sink is definitely too small for an Athlon.
The ones I use look like this:

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As to if they will fit or not in your case... I don't know.

About the CPU, maybe you can get away with a Barton or a Thoroughbred. If you care about heat, late Durons (Applebred) are almost the same as the Thoroughbreds but with a smaller TDP. They have a smaller cache though, but if you want, you can even mod them to enable the full cache.

Yeah, That first one you showed I found on ebay even as new stock, and it should fit (I have little less than 7cm in height, lateral is not that big of an issue).
The problem with the Barton and Thoroughbred is I don't think they're compatible with my MOBO. The latest bios update I found on "the retro web" dates to November 2001, probably the one I have alredy installed (Got this PC back in early 2002 with a Duron that launched in october 2001). The manual of the mobo doens't list any "Athlon XP" as compatible (it has the Athlon XP name in the list, but no compatible frequencies are shown, probably because the manual was written before the official launch).
Maybe the Palomino will work, since they launched around that latest bios update, and they also still run on 1.75 V, but Barton and Thoroughbred looks more like they wouldn't work on that platform. Of course, you can say that I could change the platform, but at that point the whole "recovery of my old machine" project would loose all meanings.

If you can get away with decent temps with that kind of cooler, I think I'll also go with that. I found several of them for sale, and they are rated for both Athlon 1.4 up to Athlon 2100+ and higher.
Otherwise, I also found an used Thermaltake Volcano 6Cu+ that should fit, but it's kinda expensive.
Also, I will need to get a new PSU that actually has a fan on the side, maybe I could even get better ventilation that way.

SRY for double posting, but I can't find the EDIT post function.

I found a couple of Dynatron for "relative cheap" that will fit and are rated up to xp2800+ and 3600+, wich are parts with TDP same or higher than my 1400C, so I think I'll go with those.
I'll probably get both of them, since I also have another side build on socket 370 that will require new cooling when installed with a Coppermine 1000. (this one actually has an AGP slot and Windows 2000, quite an interesting one)

On that regard: since the Coppermine T have an actual IHS instead of an exposed die, does that affect compatibility with coolers or any rando socket 370 cooler will still work? (I've noticed that most coolers are inter compatible between socket 462 and 370)

Thermaltake Volcano 6Cu+ is what ran on my 1400c for years, 1st with me and then with my parents when I gave it to them.

I got the machine back from my parents a couple of years ago and it was still on there and whole system still working.

Volcano 6CU+ cools adequately on up to 2100 palamino and 2400 thoroughbred, but I think it's a bit screamy for modern tastes and Volcano 7+ or Volcano 9 would be more acceptable.

BitWrangler wrote on 2024-08-18, 14:02:

Volcano 6CU+ cools adequately on up to 2100 palamino and 2400 thoroughbred, but I think it's a bit screamy for modern tastes and Volcano 7+ or Volcano 9 would be more acceptable.

Yeah, I've looked at Volcano 7+ or Volcano 9, but unfortunately they are too tall. I have (image is not very clear) a little less than 70 mm of height clearance. The 6CU+ does fit, but the one i found it's quite expensive (more than 50€ with shipping), so I'm looking into some new old stocks from Dynatron, wich do fits, are new and are rated up to the 2800+, and cost less.

I also plan to go pick up a TITAN D5TB that's been sold locally without delivery, even if it doesn't fit because it's dirty cheap.

Grem Five wrote on 2024-08-18, 13:41:

Thermaltake Volcano 6Cu+ is what ran on my 1400c for years, 1st with me and then with my parents when I gave it to them.

I got the machine back from my parents a couple of years ago and it was still on there and whole system still working.

How was the temp situation with that? How much ventilation had your 1400c?

If you're able to buy from eBay in the UK (and the seller ships to your location) look at item 285965564447 - that should be beefy enough for your 1400 and compact enough to fit in your case. Reasonably priced too I think. I've had it in my watchlist for ages in case I fancied picking up a spare some time.

Shadzilla wrote on 2024-08-18, 19:11:

If you're able to buy from eBay in the UK (and the seller ships to your location) look at item 285965564447 - that should be beefy enough for your 1400 and compact enough to fit in your case. Reasonably priced too I think. I've had it in my watchlist for ages in case I fancied picking up a spare some time.

Nice one, and with a copper base, but a bit too expensive to import in Italy, probably more than 50€ when accounting for shipping and import duties.
For now I went with two Dyatron: listings 251219905449 and 195359882453. They are new, supposedly capable of cooling up to 2800+ ant 3600+, and small enough to fit in both my 462 and 370 build. Cheaper than that AMD cooler including shipping and free custom (one of them ships from within the EU). They shoud do the job just fine, but I'll keep an eye on this item (the seller isn't available at the moment).
I also still plan to picking up a TITAN that's been sold locally in the next few weeks, when the sellers comes back.

Mondodimotori wrote on 2024-08-18, 15:16:

How was the temp situation with that? How much ventilation had your 1400c?

Dont remember the temps it ran at but it wasnt overheating. I have since replaced it with a Zalman 7000b-cu.

Mondodimotori wrote on 2024-08-18, 12:47:

The problem with the Barton and Thoroughbred is I don't think they're compatible with my MOBO.

Barton for sure I would NOT try if the motherboard does not support 333 or 400 MHz FSB. Most likely it will not work.
T-bred might work since it's 266 MHz FSB... or not. :p:

Mondodimotori wrote on 2024-08-18, 12:47:

Also, I will need to get a new PSU that actually has a fan on the side, maybe I could even get better ventilation that way.

You mean a PSU with a 92 or 120 mm fan?
Most of those usually have the fan blowing into the PSU, so the PSU fan will compete for airflow with the CPU fan and possibly make things worse.
That said, there were a few PSUs that did have 90 mm fans on the top (or side, as you say 😉 ) and blew air outwards (or rather, into the PC case.) I have only 2 or 3 of these, IIRC. Once is a microATX form-factor, though. The other is a nice and old Morex MXA-235PTF that I picked up for free many years back and recapped it. It had a seized fan, which is what caused the caps inside it to go bad. Once I took care of these two issues, it's been a solid 5V PSU.

Speaking of capacitors, I see green Teapo (SC series likely) on your motherboard. At this age, they are probably due for replacement or might be soon.
IME, Teapo SC tend to be rather unpredictable series - sometimes they go bad after a few good years of use (the more typical scenario), and sometimes (less often) they do last a very long time.

Grem Five wrote on 2024-08-18, 22:41:

Dont remember the temps it ran at but it wasnt overheating. I have since replaced it with a Zalman 7000b-cu.

Good, that's good to know, maybe I won't actually need more exotic coolers than the one I ended up ordering.

momaka wrote on 2024-08-19, 01:04:

Barton for sure I would NOT try if the motherboard does not support 333 or 400 MHz FSB. Most likely it will not work.
T-bred might work since it's 266 MHz FSB... or not. :p:

Only 200 and 266 MHz are supported, the MOBO has a jumper to set it up. T-breat THEORETICALLY should work. Athlon XP were known when the manual of the MOBO was written (they are listed without any frequencies), and the latest bios update came out one month after T-bred launched. But I decided to play it safe and went with the 1400C

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You mean a PSU with a 92 or 120 mm fan?
Most of those usually have the fan blowing into the PSU, so the PSU fan will compete for airflow with the CPU fan and possibly make things worse.
That said, there were a few PSUs that did have 90 mm fans on the top (or side, as you say 😉 ) and blew air outwards (or rather, into the PC case.) I have only 2 or 3 of these, IIRC. Once is a microATX form-factor, though. The other is a nice and old Morex MXA-235PTF that I picked up for free many years back and recapped it. It had a seized fan, which is what caused the caps inside it to go bad. Once I took care of these two issues, it's been a solid 5V PSU.

Speaking of capacitors, I see green Teapo (SC series likely) on your motherboard. At this age, they are probably due for replacement or might be soon.
IME, Teapo SC tend to be rather unpredictable series - sometimes they go bad after a few good years of use (the more typical scenario), and sometimes (less often) they do last a very long time.

Yeah, I actually don't know in wich direction the fan of the new PSU will blow. I found a few used Enermax ATX eg565 for decent prices, but the situation with caps in unknown. They are listed as "working", and the sellers says that the caps "looks good", but who knows how much will they last. But I also found a couple of new PSUs in a local store that have more than 30 amps and 180/200W on the 3.3 and 5v rail. All I need there would be a 20 pin adapter (if they aren't alredy 20+4 pin) and some SATA to MOLEX power adapters. I was actually planning to get those when the store opens again after summer vacation.
But I have no idea in wich direction the fan blows. Currently there's no PSU fan over the CPU, just the metal side. And even with the Duron it got really hot really fast. I could barely touch the PSU after 20 minutes. And it wasn't itself that got hot: When I installed the 1400C i ran the PC with the PSU outside of it, and by itself it didn't warm up that much. So I believe I absolutely need some ventilation there, even with a better CPU cooler, because the more heat I vent away from the CPU, the more it'll go elsewhere, And if not outside the case, probably will be the PSU (I don't have case fans, and I don't think I can install some). How do I check on the box where the PSU fan blows? Or it's something I discover after installation? Or I shouldn't care that much as long as I have a decent cooler and a decent PSU with a top fan? (I was calling it side-fan because in both my retro cases the PSU is mounted vertically 😜 )
Do you actually suggest a smaller PSU than the standard ATX? Those I have alredy are ATX standard, they work, but I don't trust them for long runs.

About the caps on the mobo... At a visual inspection they seems to still be good, no bulging and no leaking. I'm not practical with recapping (yet), so I'll try ask around if I find someone locally that does those kind of electronical work. But it wasn't a priority after I inspected them.

momaka wrote on 2024-08-19, 01:04:

T-bred might work since it's 266 MHz FSB... or not. :p:

Mondodimotori wrote on 2024-08-19, 12:46:

T-breat THEORETICALLY should work. Athlon XP were known when the manual of the MOBO was written (they are listed without any frequencies), and the latest bios update came out one month after T-bred launched. B

Cancel that. T-bred came out in summer 2002. The latest BIOS update of my mobo is from November 2001, when Palomino launched.

If the board has support for early Athlon XP, it will most likely work even with a Barton CPU, just won't identify it correctly. Sometimes boards will work even without explicit support of any Athlon XP cores.

The Serpent Rider wrote on 2024-08-19, 12:56:

If the board has support for early Athlon XP, it will most likely work even with a Barton CPU, just won't identify it correctly. Sometimes boards will work even without explicit support of any Athlon XP cores.

Even when there isn't support from anything other than 200 and 266 mhz FSB? Or it would just mean that the CPU will use the 266mhz FSB and run slower?

Yes, it will work with 200/266 FSB on lower speed just fine, but luckily early Thoroughbred/Barton CPU had unlocked multiplier anyway.

The Serpent Rider wrote on 2024-08-19, 13:02:

Yes, it will work with 200/266 FSB on lower speed just fine, but luckily early Thoroughbred/Barton CPU had unlocked multiplier anyway.

So you'd just fix up the multiplier to match up the original frequency? Yeah, that's interesting.
I don't think my mobo supports changing the stock multiplier, but I alredy found a tool to do it here on vogons.

I have 2 of these for my socket A builds, seems to wok quiet and it looks good.

Artcic Cooling Copper Silent 3
https://www.quietpc.com/ac-copper-silent3

One that is "just okay" meaning it will probably keep temps in the 50s, is only worth mentioning because a) there seems to be supply of NOS hanging around if you dig for them and b) because it's got a 58mm installed height..... is the Evercool Magic Cooler.

Reviews of random coolers you might find around can still be found at sites like overclockers.com in the article archives, Frosty Tech, and Dan's Data.

edit: by installed height I meant above highest part of CPU, not off motherboard PCB, so probably add 10mm for off board height clearance.