But drums was be fixed ? Or drum work as older version with bugs on chorrus and delay if use SC-88 and newer map ?
If drums does not fixed , so I not understand what for download new version )
I was going to buy this before september but is Nuked-SC55 considered better than the than this now.
Riikcakirds wrote on 2024-08-06, 21:45:I was going to buy this before september but is Nuked-SC55 considered better than the than this now.
No. Nuked has limitations at the moment and you have to have access to Roland ROM files to use it, so it's not a viable solution for everyone and everything. Sound Canvas VA gives you 64-note polyphony with multiple sound banks and is generally deemed to be pretty good in terms of quality/fidelity and end-user experiences.
RetroGamer4Ever wrote on 2024-08-07, 12:24:No. Nuked has limitations at the moment and you have to have access to Roland ROM files to use it, so it's not a viable solution for everyone and everything. Sound Canvas VA gives you 64-note polyphony with multiple sound banks and is generally deemed to be pretty good in terms of quality/fidelity and end-user experiences.
Nuked SC-55 has no limitations, it is simply an extremely accurate emulator of the Roland SC-55 and derivatives. The 24-28 voices are a limitation even in real modules.
SCVA instead emulates an SC-8820 so there is no point in making comparisons.
Maybe in the future the SC-88 emulation could arrive on Nuked SC, there is a PR https://github.com/nukeykt/Nuked-SC55/pull/85 about it on GitHub but it is not known if someone is working on it behind the scenes or if it is just an "idea" of something nice for the future.
I don't think note polyphony is an issue at this point when you can just launch several instances of Nuked SC-55 or even SC-VA and split up MIDI channels to them (even some old recorded CDs like MIDI POWER ver.4.0 has the author noting they used 2 SC-55 to get around the polyphony limit), so the only real problem is legality.
Just use whatever you can get your hands on. While I tend to use Nuked when playing old games that the sequencer explicitly used SC-55 to sequence the original tracks (example: SC-55 MK1 for X68000 port of Gradius II), sometimes I just switch to SC-VA for the heck of it. SC-VA's also what I use to sequence my own MIDIs because, well, it's the closest to an emulated SC-8820 I could get my hands on and it integrates with Cubase nicely, so there's that.
Unfortunately, the software has been completely removed from the RCM and doesn't show up in your RC library, so I'm not sure how you will still get access to it beyond making sure it's not deleted/uninstalled and keep the previously downloaded installer safe. You can find your installed copy of the Sound Canvas VA installer - not the downloaded installer that installed the installer - in your "Program Data" (hidden) root folder, in the subfolder named "Package Cache", in one of the randomized name subfolders that corresponds to whatever was generated when you activated the Roland Cloud download that contained the installer. It is simply called "Sound Canvas VA.exe" and it has an additional file in the directory with it, but I'm not sure what it is, so I just copied it along with the installer executable. Anyway, that's all I have to report. I don't know what will happen if you try to reinstall it or install it on another computer, with the Roland Cloud software already configured, so you'll have to see for yourself.
RetroGamer4Ever wrote on 2024-10-13, 19:34:Unfortunately, the software has been completely removed from the RCM and doesn't show up in your RC library, so I'm not sure how you will still get access to it beyond making sure it's not deleted/uninstalled and keep the previously downloaded installer safe. You can find your installed copy of the Sound Canvas VA installer - not the downloaded installer that installed the installer - in your "Program Data" (hidden) root folder, in the subfolder named "Package Cache", in one of the randomized name subfolders that corresponds to whatever was generated when you activated the Roland Cloud download that contained the installer. It is simply called "Sound Canvas VA.exe" and it has an additional file in the directory with it, but I'm not sure what it is, so I just copied it along with the installer executable. Anyway, that's all I have to report. I don't know what will happen if you try to reinstall it or install it on another computer, with the Roland Cloud software already configured, so you'll have to see for yourself.
I'm rather surprised they removed access like that. That really sucks.
Paralel wrote on 2024-10-25, 02:11:RetroGamer4Ever wrote on 2024-10-13, 19:34:Unfortunately, the software has been completely removed from the RCM and doesn't show up in your RC library, so I'm not sure how you will still get access to it beyond making sure it's not deleted/uninstalled and keep the previously downloaded installer safe. You can find your installed copy of the Sound Canvas VA installer - not the downloaded installer that installed the installer - in your "Program Data" (hidden) root folder, in the subfolder named "Package Cache", in one of the randomized name subfolders that corresponds to whatever was generated when you activated the Roland Cloud download that contained the installer. It is simply called "Sound Canvas VA.exe" and it has an additional file in the directory with it, but I'm not sure what it is, so I just copied it along with the installer executable. Anyway, that's all I have to report. I don't know what will happen if you try to reinstall it or install it on another computer, with the Roland Cloud software already configured, so you'll have to see for yourself.
I'm rather surprised they removed access like that. That really sucks.
I wrote to Roland and they provided an "offline" installer. It still requires Roland Cloud Manager to be installed, is not visible within Cloud Manager, but it authenticates fine.
It's good that they provided a solution. For those who are orphaned, there are 32 and 64 bit version that don't require the cloud that can be acquired. With it no longer possible to purchase them for now i think they can be installed without guilt now. I won't say how to get them though.
Nuked SC-55 is a great option if you somehow can get the roms, but is not legally usable in music production. you can playback midis with it legally, and you can compose midis on it, and as long as you only distribute the midis, that's fine too. But you cannot use sc55 as an instrument if you are performing or selling music. You CAN do this with SC-VA still now, provided you bought the lifetime key. As long as you indeed bought the key, using a drm bypassed version is fine legally speaking in my opinion, as long as it's only installed one one pc at a time.
If you do not have a lifetime key, now you are screwed, because none of the sellers have anymore, and your only option for music production is a hardware tone module. The new waveblaster daughterboard is not an option. The original roland pc hardware is one, probably, as it doesn't have any restrictive licensing that i'm aware of, and probably can be used to legally make a sound canvass in a box.
Roland is ok in principle with just playing back midi files and composition. That's why there are so many sc55 soundfonts floating around now. Nuked almost certainly picked the current license specifically so Roland will look the other way and not sue him, while being free to go after violators.
Roland stated that they plan to offer something in the future for Sound Canvas enthusiasts and users, but they have not said anything about when they would release any future product or what form it would take. One curious thing about their multi-instrument VSTs - outside of the Sound Canvas offerings - is that they don't have a multi-instrument mode where you can use them for multi-instrument MIDI playback outside of a VST-capable MIDI editor, so there is a need for something to fill that niche for people who want to play MIDI files and play games with good MIDI.
zaphod77 wrote on 2024-10-26, 13:49:It's good that they provided a solution. For those who are orphaned, there are 32 and 64 bit version that don't require the clo […]
It's good that they provided a solution. For those who are orphaned, there are 32 and 64 bit version that don't require the cloud that can be acquired. With it no longer possible to purchase them for now i think they can be installed without guilt now. I won't say how to get them though.
Nuked SC-55 is a great option if you somehow can get the roms, but is not legally usable in music production. you can playback midis with it legally, and you can compose midis on it, and as long as you only distribute the midis, that's fine too. But you cannot use sc55 as an instrument if you are performing or selling music. You CAN do this with SC-VA still now, provided you bought the lifetime key. As long as you indeed bought the key, using a drm bypassed version is fine legally speaking in my opinion, as long as it's only installed one one pc at a time.
If you do not have a lifetime key, now you are screwed, because none of the sellers have anymore, and your only option for music production is a hardware tone module. The new waveblaster daughterboard is not an option. The original roland pc hardware is one, probably, as it doesn't have any restrictive licensing that i'm aware of, and probably can be used to legally make a sound canvass in a box.
Roland is ok in principle with just playing back midi files and composition. That's why there are so many sc55 soundfonts floating around now. Nuked almost certainly picked the current license specifically so Roland will look the other way and not sue him, while being free to go after violators.
I plan to try setting up SCVA in a repurposed Chromebox. I7 8550U can probably handle it fine. I wonder if I can get a small touch screen to interface with it.
darry wrote on 2024-10-26, 03:05:Paralel wrote on 2024-10-25, 02:11:RetroGamer4Ever wrote on 2024-10-13, 19:34:Unfortunately, the software has been completely removed from the RCM and doesn't show up in your RC library, so I'm not sure how you will still get access to it beyond making sure it's not deleted/uninstalled and keep the previously downloaded installer safe. You can find your installed copy of the Sound Canvas VA installer - not the downloaded installer that installed the installer - in your "Program Data" (hidden) root folder, in the subfolder named "Package Cache", in one of the randomized name subfolders that corresponds to whatever was generated when you activated the Roland Cloud download that contained the installer. It is simply called "Sound Canvas VA.exe" and it has an additional file in the directory with it, but I'm not sure what it is, so I just copied it along with the installer executable. Anyway, that's all I have to report. I don't know what will happen if you try to reinstall it or install it on another computer, with the Roland Cloud software already configured, so you'll have to see for yourself.
I'm rather surprised they removed access like that. That really sucks.
I wrote to Roland and they provided an "offline" installer. It still requires Roland Cloud Manager to be installed, is not visible within Cloud Manager, but it authenticates fine.
Could you or anybody upload the offline installer for this? I registered my lifetime key, but I don't have the installer. I tried the installer I found on Roland's website, but it's too old and won't activate. It would also be good to preserve the official installer even if it needs an active license.
yolkier wrote on 2024-12-21, 06:45:darry wrote on 2024-10-26, 03:05:Paralel wrote on 2024-10-25, 02:11:I'm rather surprised they removed access like that. That really sucks.
I wrote to Roland and they provided an "offline" installer. It still requires Roland Cloud Manager to be installed, is not visible within Cloud Manager, but it authenticates fine.
Could you or anybody upload the offline installer for this? I registered my lifetime key, but I don't have the installer. I tried the installer I found on Roland's website, but it's too old and won't activate. It would also be good to preserve the official installer even if it needs an active license.
I agree, as long as its an installer that is protected and requires a valid key, there is no logistical reason I can think of for why it couldn't be provided to the public at large.
My suggestion would be to upload it to the Internet Archive as well as the Vogon Drivers collection (as long as it falls within their guidelines).
Why is this plugin v1.0.3 so slow to load compared to other legacy synths? I can easily load over a dozen instances of s-yxg50, one for each part. But one Roland is uncomfortable with a long delay. Is this an aspect of the core engine or the copy-protection that could in theory be separated from it? Have there been useful updates to it since this version besides making it require a newer PC? I don't see what Roland would gain by making it not available. They could simply declare that no further updates will be made for it.
As Roland Sound Canvas VA VSTi Plugin is now discontinued and abandonware, download links were removed from Roland product pages, here is this thread summary:
Vogon admins: Please download them and archive in Vogon's Driver Download section as we do not know how long they still will be available for download from Roland's sites:
Direct link to official trial version 1.0.3: http://cdn.roland.com/assets/media/zip/scva_win_trial.zip
sha256 checksum: 2753e1a5699a577aaf468e1fa9b6a293687fa29292bca9258c0fc83fb258680d scva_win_trial.zip
Content-Length: 96055960
Last-Modified: Wed, 18 May 2016 07:45:34 GMT
Direct link to official trial version 1.0.6: http://static.roland.com/assets/media/zip/scva_win_trial.zip
sha256 checksum: 55aff4c7e17c0dab5e9a1ff0ee9aa094a595f2302f8a8f641c43e28ebfe0d3bf scva_win_trial.zip
Content-Length: 115389525
Last-Modified: Fri, 06 Dec 2019 02:07:13 GMT
Some notes gathered from this 39+ pages thread and other sources:
SCCore.dll from SC-VA 1.0.3 trial has an implicit dependency on msvcr100.dll. If this file is missing SC-VA does not show any errors but the synth remains silent. So on XP you should install Microsoft Visual C++ 2010 Redistributable Package (x86).
SCVA 1.06+ loads much faster than 1.03 and below.
SCVA 1.0.7 32 bit and SCVA 1.0.7 64 bit SCCORE.DLL usable only with 64 bit version. In 32 bit version not sounds. So 1.0.7 does not work on WinXP and FSMP 32bit.
All later SCVA releases are only x64 so require x64 host like savihost64. Last x86 release is 1.0.7 but does not work in 32bit host or OS as SCCORE.DLL usable only with 64 bit version.
Sound Canvas VA (SC-VA) of Roland Content Store version (latest: version 1.06) and Roland Cloud version (latest: version 1.13) are identically same from the functions/bug fixes point of view, except one point that Roland Cloud version does not support 32-bit code but Content Store version does.
Because their activation/authentication methods are different, their versions are managed each, and they cannot install into the same computer at once.
This is why their version numbers are different.
zbiggy wrote on 2024-12-26, 17:43:... SCCore.dll from SC-VA 1.0.3 trial has an implicit dependency on msvcr100.dll. If this file is missing SC-VA does not show an […]
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SCCore.dll from SC-VA 1.0.3 trial has an implicit dependency on msvcr100.dll. If this file is missing SC-VA does not show any errors but the synth remains silent. So on XP you should install Microsoft Visual C++ 2010 Redistributable Package (x86).
SCVA 1.06+ loads much faster than 1.03 and below.
SCVA 1.0.7 32 bit and SCVA 1.0.7 64 bit SCCORE.DLL usable only with 64 bit version. In 32 bit version not sounds. So 1.0.7 does not work on WinXP and FSMP 32bit.
All later SCVA releases are only x64 so require x64 host like savihost64. Last x86 release is 1.0.7 but does not work in 32bit host or OS as SCCORE.DLL usable only with 64 bit version.
some clarifications:
It sounds as if later SCVA releases cannot work with FSMP only with SAVIHost64.
On the one hand the 64-bit SCVA always worked with 64-bit FSMP on the other hand even 32-bit FSMP can host 64-bit SCVA if JBidge 1.76+ is installed ('Switch to separate GUI mode' JBridge option should be checked).
64-bit SCVA can also work without problems with later versions of VST Midi driver and this way it works both with 32-bit and 64-bit Midi clients:
https://github.com/Falcosoft/vstdriver/releases
