BitWrangler wrote on 2024-07-29, 15:17:

No apology necessary I am somewhat obscure and indecipherable in my humor and references anyway, family gatherings I'll be saying things, three people will be laughing hysterically and everyone else looking puzzled, "What? What did I miss" 🤣

I think this is some kind of a nerd thing, it could be me too - had lots of these moments with my cousin while some others shook their heads. xD

edit: alibi picture added (3Com 3C17302A SuperStack 3, unfortunately just 100 MBit)

kind regards
soggi

well I was being a bit dense for sure...I mean the joke and obvious mention of Boeing was understandable in hindsight 😁

Good times...

Still 4 to go 😀 what a score!

Looks like all those Batmen had dual PS/2 connectors for mouse and keyboard, and hence not fully AT compliable ?
Was that normal for socket 4 boards ?

I don't think I've ever seen a dual PS/2 layout that didn't have any other rear I/O. Is there a matching backplate for that or is it meant for only a specific kind of case?

Seen one or two more boards like that, may have also been Olivetti. Also seen one or two AT cases with an oval elongated AT KB hole, so maybe you can squeeze PS/2 side by side in those.

bestemor wrote on 2024-07-30, 18:47:

Looks like all those Batmen had dual PS/2 connectors for mouse and keyboard, and hence not fully AT compliable ?
Was that normal for socket 4 boards ?

In the very late AT period, OEM's like Dell and Gateway often used Animiga & Intel boards that had dual PS/2 connectors for mouse and keyboard. So that started around the Bat3 for 486, Batman for socket 4, but it also continued into socket 5, which sometimes had ATX or ATX like power connectors.

https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/dell-d … t-p__-minitower
https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/dell-d … -p__c-minitower

Recently found a Dell Dimension XPS P100 that had that config.

As far as I can tell Batman's Revenge exist both with DIN5 keyboard connector and like those, 2x PS2 for KB and mouse. All traces are still present on the board for both.
Those cards were used by OEMs and had matching cases (apart from Olivetti, I at least found Gateway and Packard Bell using those). If you look at pictures on TheRetroWeb you'll see both flavors.

(Yeah so..what douglar said 😁)

douglar wrote on 2024-07-30, 19:23:

In the very late AT period, OEM's like Dell and Gateway often used Animiga & Intel boards that had dual PS/2 connectors for mous […]
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In the very late AT period, OEM's like Dell and Gateway often used Animiga & Intel boards that had dual PS/2 connectors for mouse and keyboard. So that started around the Bat3 for 486, Batman for socket 4, but it also continued into socket 5, which sometimes had ATX or ATX like power connectors.

https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/dell-d … t-p__-minitower
https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/dell-d … -p__c-minitower

Recently found a Dell Dimension XPS P100 that had that config.

Seconded. Just submitted my Dimension XPS P120c Minitower to TRW:

Confession: Before starting retro computing as a hobby I didn't know that AT keyboard connectors were still the dominant type throughout Socket 5/7, only to be completely replaced by PS/2 keyboard connectors after Slot 1 / Pentium II became mainstream (around late 1997-early 1998), a whole decade after PS/2 connectors were invented (April 1987).

douglar wrote on 2024-07-30, 19:23:

In the very late AT period, OEM's like Dell and Gateway often used Animiga & Intel boards that had dual PS/2 connectors for mous […]
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bestemor wrote on 2024-07-30, 18:47:

Looks like all those Batmen had dual PS/2 connectors for mouse and keyboard, and hence not fully AT compliable ?
Was that normal for socket 4 boards ?

In the very late AT period, OEM's like Dell and Gateway often used Animiga & Intel boards that had dual PS/2 connectors for mouse and keyboard. So that started around the Bat3 for 486, Batman for socket 4, but it also continued into socket 5, which sometimes had ATX or ATX like power connectors.

https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/dell-d … t-p__-minitower
https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/dell-d … -p__c-minitower

Recently found a Dell Dimension XPS P100 that had that config.

In fact if you desolder the PS/2 ports there are holes to mount a regular DIN5 AT keyboard connector (at least in the case of boards made by Intel). So those were populated depending on the requirements of the OEM, for instance my Batman Revenge board has an AT-style connector.

dormcat wrote on 2024-07-30, 20:41:

Seconded. Just submitted my Dimension XPS P120c Minitower to TRW: […]
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douglar wrote on 2024-07-30, 19:23:

In the very late AT period, OEM's like Dell and Gateway often used Animiga & Intel boards that had dual PS/2 connectors for mous […]
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In the very late AT period, OEM's like Dell and Gateway often used Animiga & Intel boards that had dual PS/2 connectors for mouse and keyboard. So that started around the Bat3 for 486, Batman for socket 4, but it also continued into socket 5, which sometimes had ATX or ATX like power connectors.

https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/dell-d … t-p__-minitower
https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/dell-d … -p__c-minitower

Recently found a Dell Dimension XPS P100 that had that config.

Seconded. Just submitted my Dimension XPS P120c Minitower to TRW:

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Confession: Before starting retro computing as a hobby I didn't know that AT keyboard connectors were still the dominant type throughout Socket 5/7, only to be completely replaced by PS/2 keyboard connectors after Slot 1 / Pentium II became mainstream (around late 1997-early 1998), a whole decade after PS/2 connectors were invented (April 1987).

Does that board take the non standard atx power?

douglar wrote on 2024-07-30, 22:45:

Does that board take the non standard atx power?

I wouldn't call it ATX: while the connector looks like ATX in shape, it

1. has different pinout and
2. uses a proprietary toggle switch that connects to the MB with two thin wires; neither a momentary switch of standard ATX power nor a traditional AT power toggle switch.

Those wires lead to J9H2 on the motherboard (painted in red) located above the 72-pin EDO RAM and next to FDD connector:

This measure severely limits its upgrade potential or right to repair.

Today went to grab a Commodore 1930 13" VGA monitor. It's in good working condition and pretty good shape, only needed a deep body scrub. Tube is a bit tired, contrast has to be cranked up pretty much to max to get good colors, but not a bad find at all and should give me some quality time.

I still need to read more about it and what it's capable of, I think it came with the Commodore PC but that's all I know right now!

Someone thought he was really clever when he destroyed his Samsung Galaxy Tab A7 (SM-T500) with brute force … but forgot to remove the 32 GB SD card. Unfortunately I don‘t have a reader for it. xD

kind regards
soggi

That SD card should be quite ok assuming it isn't a fake one, so score 🤣

IDK, I was ready to smash up the wife's Samsung tablet by the third time it corrupted an SD card 🤣 so it's either a really durable one or samsunk already.

soggi wrote on 2024-08-14, 19:53:

Someone thought he was really clever when he destroyed his Samsung Galaxy Tab A7 (SM-T500) with brute force … but forgot to remove the 32 GB SD card. Unfortunately I don‘t have a reader for it. xD

kind regards
soggi

🤣

That picture with the MicroSD card and tray perfectly intact amidst all that carnage is just priceless.

I wonder what kind of tool was used for that? Looks like a triangular hammer or pick or something. It must not have been too sharp since it never punctured the case.

20 years ago, target practice used to be a great way to "wipe" drives that stopped functioning before they could be blanked, but I fear that in the age of microSD cards you'd have to pulverize a device with $50 worth of ammunition to be sure that nothing that small survived. Or, you know, just remove the card and destroy it separately.

I have two old peripherals, a Wacom pen tablet and a pen scanner. And I totally forgot I had them.
I have no idea if they are of any interest or use for anyone.

The wacom is W98/2K/XP compatible. Wacom CTF-420 (2005)
The pen scanner is W98 and MacOS 8.6 compatible. IRISPen II Executive (2002)
They work as far as I tested them.

I'm currently trying to get rid of them for free but I don't know if it is not better to just scrap them.
Any opinion is welcome.

Found a couple of old 16-bit ISA NICs that may have been original to my recently revived Zenith Z386SX-20.

Behold the WANG WLOC -

And the HP Ethertwist PC LAN Adapter/16 Plus -

Somehow I was able to find the Wang drivers/software pretty quickly, even though it's useless.

The HP on the other hand is an early 10BASE-T card and likely HP's first that used a jumperless configuration utility. I found packet drivers (HPPCLANP) and every MS OS seems to have drivers for this card out of the box but I have so far been unable to find the HPLANSET.EXE utility. If anyone has any clues I'd be very grateful as it seems I run into literal dead ends with CompuServe, BBS and FTP links.

BitWrangler wrote on 2024-08-14, 23:43:

IDK, I was ready to smash up the wife's Samsung tablet by the third time it corrupted an SD card 🤣 so it's either a really durable one or samsunk already.

I even don't let any Samsung or some other Android phone or tablet come into our closer family...there were two nearly a decade back then...something like Cyanogen/Linage would be rather OK...but this Android crap is nothing for my family (missing updates and many, many things more). Fortunately, we all (five persons) have iPhones and there are also iPad (9th gen.) MacBook Air, MacBook Pro (2023), Homepod Mini, Apple TV 2021 and some tools (KB, mouse, pencil)...I could convince the others since I had my first iPhone (4, 2011). I don't like everything Apple does (f.e. Face ID w/o possibility of Touch ID, some idiotic/awkward control, missing keys like "Home"/"End"/"Delete"/"Print" or extremely high prizes of some parts), but today it's the best option, I guess - so my daily drivers are latest iOS/iPadOS/macOS AND WinXP! Our Samsung TV is good, but all of this Android crap I've seen...hugh...so, yes, I would also kill this tablet.

Sorry for the rant, but this fkg Android made me very furious in the past.

Ozzuneoj wrote on 2024-08-15, 05:50:

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That picture with the MicroSD card and tray perfectly intact amidst all that carnage is just priceless.

I wonder what kind of tool was used for that? Looks like a triangular hammer or pick or something. It must not have been too sharp since it never punctured the case.

20 years ago, target practice used to be a great way to "wipe" drives that stopped functioning before they could be blanked, but I fear that in the age of microSD cards you'd have to pulverize a device with $50 worth of ammunition to be sure that nothing that small survived. Or, you know, just remove the card and destroy it separately.

Yeah, it's kind of abstruse why and how people do things and what comes out of it. I guess the tool used for destroying the tablet was some metal thing from the workshop of our mechanics at work.

Wiping drives was always simple by overwriting alle the data, I never understood why so many HDDs were killed in the last decades. Aside from that I'm glad that we have much more restrictive gun laws here in Europe!

Nexxen wrote on 2024-08-15, 15:23:

I'm currently trying to get rid of them for free but I don't know if it is not better to just scrap them.
Any opinion is welcome.

Hmmm...to scrap things is always the very, very last solution...but I know what you mean. 😒

kind regards
soggi

Nexxen wrote on 2024-08-15, 15:23:

I have two old peripherals, a Wacom pen tablet and a pen scanner. And I totally forgot I had them. I have no idea if they are of […]
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I have two old peripherals, a Wacom pen tablet and a pen scanner. And I totally forgot I had them.
I have no idea if they are of any interest or use for anyone.

The wacom is W98/2K/XP compatible. Wacom CTF-420 (2005)
The pen scanner is W98 and MacOS 8.6 compatible. IRISPen II Executive (2002)
They work as far as I tested them.

I'm currently trying to get rid of them for free but I don't know if it is not better to just scrap them.
Any opinion is welcome.

Maybe post this in the giveaway thread?
Old hardware giveaway thread.