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EISA ≠ PISA

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First post, by DerBaum

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In industrial / professional computer applications you can sometimes find expansion slots that look like an ISA slot but are normally brown an deeper.

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(Example picture shows a PISA SBC with a 14 slot backplane : 4 PCI, 2 PISA, 8 ISA)

The connector has two rows, where the upper row is normal ISA.
The connector is shaped that you can insert normal ISA cards in the PISA/EISA connector and it will work. The ISA card will not touch the lower row.

The confusing part is PISA and EISA use the same connector but do not share the same signals on the lower row of contacts.

EISA (Extended ISA) is an extension of the ISA bus. https://old.pinouts.ru/Slots/EISA_pinout.shtml
You can imagine EISA more like a VLB predecessor but combined into one slot and much slower.
EISA slots are normally found on mainboards and not on backplanes and used for add on cards like controller or graphics cards.

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(Example EISA Network Card)
Source: https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:EISA_network_card.jpg

When PISA was introduced in 1996, EISA already was old stuff

PISA is a combination of ISA and PCI in one slot. https://www.kontron.com/download/download?fil … f&product=87006
The Upper row is ISA, the lower row is PCI.
PISA is normally used on single board computers to get ISA and PCI through one connector into the backplane.
This allows the computers to be as short as an ISA slot.


You can also get a combination of ISA and PCI for single board computers that is called PICMG (1.0).
This combination of connectors looks a lot like VLB but it isnt.
The ISA connector and the PCI connector are in one row after each other.

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(example shows a 12 slot backplane with 2 PICMG, 4 PCI, 6 ISA)

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A PICMG (1.0) single board computer.

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Reply 1 of 9, by Jo22

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Cool! PICMG reminds me of the Amiga A2000 with its ISA+Zorro II slot design.

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Reply 2 of 9, by Disruptor

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Some 486 local bus variants use the EISA connector too:
OPTi local bus
Orchid local bus

Reply 3 of 9, by demiurge

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I bought this ABIT AB-PG5 because it is the only system built for an obscure VGA card.

It seems to have a PISA bus in it but pre-dates 1996.

What can I stick in this slot?

Reply 4 of 9, by kingcake

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Packard bell uses the EISA connector on their ISA/PCI combo riser cards. One row of the EISA does ISA the other row does PCI.

Reply 5 of 9, by dionb

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kingcake wrote on 2024-01-23, 03:07:

Packard bell uses the EISA connector on their ISA/PCI combo riser cards. One row of the EISA does ISA the other row does PCI.

That's PISA.

Reply 6 of 9, by Omarkoman

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sorry to hijack this but I saw this system and according to specs it states it has PISA connector:

https://i.postimg.cc/Jn36SLJR/s-l1600-3.webp

however, I am bit confused as if I wanted to use this PISA riser:

https://i.postimg.cc/6QrfphQ0/s-l1600-2.webp

the deep notch on the card would mean that the connectors are facing to the right, not left meaning I couldnt use it in the computer in question.

and I cant find any PISA risers that have different orientation.

in saying that, there is also this one:

https://i.postimg.cc/Y98N1qYL/s-l1600-1.webp

that has the notch on the right way but, is that an EISA riser ?

very confusing

Reply 7 of 9, by mkarcher

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Omarkoman wrote on 2024-10-09, 03:58:

in saying that, there is also this one:

https://i.postimg.cc/Y98N1qYL/s-l1600-1.webp

that has the notch on the right way but, is that an EISA riser ?

That's clearly not an EISA riser: The slots on that riser are PCI slots, not EISA slots. EISA slots would look like the PISA slot on your mainboard, and most likely be brown. This card is very likely a PISA riser that ignores the ISA part of PISA but allows two PCI cards to be installed.

Reply 8 of 9, by Omarkoman

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Thanks, I will purchase that riser and give it a try. Hopefully I wont fry anything.

Reply 9 of 9, by soggi

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Thanks for the initial post, @DerBaum!

dionb wrote on 2024-01-23, 08:19:
kingcake wrote on 2024-01-23, 03:07:

Packard bell uses the EISA connector on their ISA/PCI combo riser cards. One row of the EISA does ISA the other row does PCI.

That's PISA.

pure satire 🤣

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