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First post, by nimruil

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Hello everyone, I recently acquired a P166 PC. It has an LCD display and Turbo button + LED. When I acquired the PC this display showed "18". So I did some research on the subject to make it work properly but I couldn't.

To clarify, correctness of numbers is currently not a priority for me. I am trying to make the system work correctly, as in, when I press the turbo button, cpu changes freq., turbo light changes status, and the display changes values. When i press again, everything comes back to previous state. Sorry if I explain too long I am doing my best 😀

Of course, correct me if/where I am wrong. Here is what I know/don't know:

The display circuit:
- Model is ST-7A. It has 6 pins on the back. +5V-G-IN-?-L-TL-H.
- +5V and G have a molex connector and obviously they are power and ground. No questions here.
- Simple logic says IN should be some type of input. From what I gathered so far this is supposed to be some low voltage electricity from the mobo to indicate that TURBO is triggered or not (more on this later).
- ? has no text at all so I have no idea what it is.
- L-TL-H seem to be Low, Turbo Led and High. So if the two cables from the led light are connected to L and TL, it is triggered when working cpu freq. is in low setting. Consequently if you connect the cable to TL and H, led should work when the cpu freq. is in high setting.

The mobo:
- It's AT.
- Model is 5ITXA-Revc. It has 4 pins in total for turbo stuff. They are near each other. Left to right: First two is TURBO LED CONNECT (VCC-LED1 SIGNAL), last two is TURBO SWITCH CONNECT (unknown, manual says default close and that's it. They were connected by a jumper when I got the PC.). After TURBO SWITCH CONNECT there are IR pins, first of them being VCC. I am going to put a photo to visualize all this.

The turbo button:
- It has 3 cables. Orange, black and white.

My findings:

- I checked to see if the pins on mobo have any currents or not. TURBO LED CONNECT VCC has 5V. LED1 SIGNAL has zero. SWITCH CONNECT 1 has zero, SWITCH CONNECT 2 has 0.01V-0.02V.
- When i connected the IN from display board to SWITCH CONNECT 2, display changed from "18" to "33". At this point, TURBO LED also started to shine.
- Connecting IN to SWITCH CONNECT 2 obviously makes it impossible to connect turbo button cables to TURBO SWITCH CONNECT.

With all this info I thought the working scheme would be TURBO SW triggered-> MOBO makes the change -> DISPLAY receives signal from MOBO that something changed so change display values-> TURBO LED is triggered on/off. I checked the displays at minuszerodegrees, but I couldn't find something similar. ST-6A looks very different from what I got.

So, how am I supposed make all of this work? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Reply 1 of 7, by nimruil

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Reply 2 of 7, by wbahnassi

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Connect the turbo switch cable fron the chassis to the Front 20-21 (Turbo switch) header on the motherboard. Since it's made of three lines, you will need to see which two of the three are shorted when the turbo button is in the pressed in state. Those two lines connect to the turbo switch header. Orientation doesn't matter.

Connect a branch from a molex power cable to the turbo display. The branch should come from 5V and Gnd of the power cable.

Connect a single wire between the turbo display's IN pin and the motherboard's TurboLED ground pin. This will make the Turbo display sense the motherboard's choice of speed.

Connect the chassis TurboLED wire to the turbo display's L-TL or TL-H.. you might have to try a couple of orientations here. The end result is that the chassis turbo light will reflect whether turbo mode is on or off.

Finally, enjoy your time with the turbo display's jumpers. 🙂

Turbo XT 12MHz, 8-bit VGA, Dual 360K drives
Intel 386 DX-33, TSeng ET3000, SB 2.0, 1x CD
Intel 486 DX2-66, CL5428 VLB, SBPro 2, 2x CD
Intel Pentium 90, Matrox Millenium 2, SB16, 4x CD
HP Z400, Xeon 3.46GHz, YMF-744, Voodoo3, RTX2080Ti

Reply 3 of 7, by nimruil

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wbahnassi wrote on 2024-10-08, 14:16:
Connect the turbo switch cable fron the chassis to the Front 20-21 (Turbo switch) header on the motherboard. Since it's made of […]
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Connect the turbo switch cable fron the chassis to the Front 20-21 (Turbo switch) header on the motherboard. Since it's made of three lines, you will need to see which two of the three are shorted when the turbo button is in the pressed in state. Those two lines connect to the turbo switch header. Orientation doesn't matter.

Connect a branch from a molex power cable to the turbo display. The branch should come from 5V and Gnd of the power cable.

Connect a single wire between the turbo display's IN pin and the motherboard's TurboLED ground pin. This will make the Turbo display sense the motherboard's choice of speed.

Connect the chassis TurboLED wire to the turbo display's L-TL or TL-H.. you might have to try a couple of orientations here. The end result is that the chassis turbo light will reflect whether turbo mode is on or off.

Finally, enjoy your time with the turbo display's jumpers. 🙂

You, sir, are my hero. It worked perfectly. I even decided to go further and find out the jumper scheme and change the texts. I decided to write "HI" and "LO". I am adding photos of the jumper layout and the drawings i made to decipher the layout. Perhaps later they can be of use to someone else.

Reply 4 of 7, by wbahnassi

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My pleasure. Great to see you got it right. HI and LO are good. I personally put the CPU's standard speed for turbo mode, and a value measured from SysInfo on deturbo mode (typically 1/3 of the full speed).

Turbo XT 12MHz, 8-bit VGA, Dual 360K drives
Intel 386 DX-33, TSeng ET3000, SB 2.0, 1x CD
Intel 486 DX2-66, CL5428 VLB, SBPro 2, 2x CD
Intel Pentium 90, Matrox Millenium 2, SB16, 4x CD
HP Z400, Xeon 3.46GHz, YMF-744, Voodoo3, RTX2080Ti

Reply 5 of 7, by nimruil

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wbahnassi wrote on 2024-10-08, 19:51:

My pleasure. Great to see you got it right. HI and LO are good. I personally put the CPU's standard speed for turbo mode, and a value measured from SysInfo on deturbo mode (typically 1/3 of the full speed).

I just remembered! I wanted to ask, what difference does turbo make for a P166 system? I checked BIOS for CPU speed, FSB speed, cache. No difference.

I tried CPU ID (vintage), still no difference. I even reset pc after switching to see if something changes, nothing.

Do you have a setting somewhere for turbo?

Reply 6 of 7, by wbahnassi

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Depends on the motherboard. Majority of Pentium motherboards dropped the turbo switch. If the motherboard still features a turbo switch connector then it should work. I have such a mobo, but it requires that you do the toggle when the PC is off, otherwise it could hang.

Other Pentium motherboards don't have a turbo switch connector but still have a turbo led connector. This could be either purely cosmetic for the chassis, or actually functional, but triggered via a special keyboard shortcut (I also have a mobo of this kind).

But as I said, Pentium boards typically have neither of these.

Turbo XT 12MHz, 8-bit VGA, Dual 360K drives
Intel 386 DX-33, TSeng ET3000, SB 2.0, 1x CD
Intel 486 DX2-66, CL5428 VLB, SBPro 2, 2x CD
Intel Pentium 90, Matrox Millenium 2, SB16, 4x CD
HP Z400, Xeon 3.46GHz, YMF-744, Voodoo3, RTX2080Ti

Reply 7 of 7, by PARKE

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nimruil wrote on 2024-10-08, 19:28:

I am adding photos of the jumper layout and the drawings i made to decipher the layout. Perhaps later they can be of use to someone else.

Here a generic approach to your jumper settings.

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