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First post, by daniil1909

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i have am386 dx 40 with 2mb of ram and vga rtg3105. Wolfenstein is playable, but a bit laggy (cpu is warn not hot about 40 degrees). What should i upgrade?

Reply 1 of 19, by daniil1909

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daniil1909 wrote on 2024-09-21, 01:17:

i have am386 dx 40 with 2mb of ram and vga rtg3105. Wolfenstein is playable, but a bit laggy (cpu is warn not hot about 40 degrees). What should i upgrade?

P.S. Fps is about 20-30

Reply 2 of 19, by Anonymous Coward

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Do you have another vga card to try? I seem to recall Realtek vga not supporting 16 bit operation.

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Reply 3 of 19, by daniil1909

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Anonymous Coward wrote on 2024-09-21, 01:30:

Do you have another vga card to try? I seem to recall Realtek vga not supporting 16 bit operation.

Nope. I have only this vga isa card. Planning to buy an trident tvga

Reply 4 of 19, by Grzyb

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First, make sure the CPU/board is properly configured - run benchmarks, and compare the results:
AMD 386DX-40 with Cyrix Fasmath 83D87-40-GP Benchmarks

Next, try some other graphics - Realtek is one of the slowest.
You can find which chips hit the ISA speed limit here - http://vgamuseum.info/images/vlask/bench/quake320.png

Nie tylko, jak widzicie, w tym trudność, że nie zdołacie wejść na moją górę, lecz i w tym, że ja do was cały zejść nie mogę, gdyż schodząc, gubię po drodze to, co miałem donieść.

Reply 5 of 19, by daniil1909

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Grzyb wrote on 2024-09-21, 01:36:
First, make sure the CPU/board is properly configured - run benchmarks, and compare the results: AMD 386DX-40 with Cyrix Fasmath […]
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First, make sure the CPU/board is properly configured - run benchmarks, and compare the results:
AMD 386DX-40 with Cyrix Fasmath 83D87-40-GP Benchmarks

Next, try some other graphics - Realtek is one of the slowest.
You can find which chips hit the ISA speed limit here - http://vgamuseum.info/images/vlask/bench/quake320.png

About cpu, everything configured and speed is fine in tests, everything goes well. If i use graphics (wolf3d and etc) its lagging.

Reply 6 of 19, by Anonymous Coward

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daniil1909 wrote on 2024-09-21, 01:32:
Anonymous Coward wrote on 2024-09-21, 01:30:

Do you have another vga card to try? I seem to recall Realtek vga not supporting 16 bit operation.

Nope. I have only this vga isa card. Planning to buy an trident tvga

Maybe planning to buy cirrus logic is a better idea. It seems some tridents are much better than others and some come poorly configured.

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Reply 7 of 19, by daniil1909

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Anonymous Coward wrote on 2024-09-21, 01:42:
daniil1909 wrote on 2024-09-21, 01:32:
Anonymous Coward wrote on 2024-09-21, 01:30:

Do you have another vga card to try? I seem to recall Realtek vga not supporting 16 bit operation.

Nope. I have only this vga isa card. Planning to buy an trident tvga

Maybe planning to buy cirrus logic is a better idea. It seems some tridents are much better than others and some come poorly configured.

What about ram? Should i buy 4mb instead of 2mb?

Reply 8 of 19, by leileilol

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daniil1909 wrote on 2024-09-21, 01:17:

vga rtg3105

This is definitely sticking out to me. This particular card is among the slowest of the 1994 SVGA ones. Any Tseng ET3000/4000 card would be better than this

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Reply 10 of 19, by keenmaster486

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Certain WD VGA cards saturate the ISA bus and are very compatible.

Others are the slowest of them all though so watch out, look for benchmarks

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Reply 11 of 19, by Grzyb

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daniil1909 wrote on 2024-09-21, 01:47:

What about ram? Should i buy 4mb instead of 2mb?

Well, 2 MB is very poor for a 386DX.
If you have 8 sockets for 30-pin SIMMs, you can easily have 8 MB, as 1 MB modules are very common and cost pennies.
Windows would definitely work much better.

But no difference for Wolfenstein - 1 MB is totally enough here.

Nie tylko, jak widzicie, w tym trudność, że nie zdołacie wejść na moją górę, lecz i w tym, że ja do was cały zejść nie mogę, gdyż schodząc, gubię po drodze to, co miałem donieść.

Reply 12 of 19, by Grzyb

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leileilol wrote on 2024-09-21, 02:15:

Any Tseng ET3000/4000 card would be better than this

ET4000 - yes.
But not ET3000 - it's a very early SVGA, may be even slower than RTG3105.

Nie tylko, jak widzicie, w tym trudność, że nie zdołacie wejść na moją górę, lecz i w tym, że ja do was cały zejść nie mogę, gdyż schodząc, gubię po drodze to, co miałem donieść.

Reply 13 of 19, by PD2JK

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Can your mainboard take cache memory? That would increase performance quite a bit.

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Reply 14 of 19, by BinaryDemon

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Do you have any options to increase your isa bus speed in the bios? Might help.

Check out DOSBox Distro:

https://sites.google.com/site/dosboxdistro/ [*]

a lightweight Linux distro (tinycore) which boots off a usb flash drive and goes straight to DOSBox.

Make your dos retrogaming experience portable!

Reply 15 of 19, by Babasha

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daniil1909 wrote on 2024-09-21, 01:27:
daniil1909 wrote on 2024-09-21, 01:17:

i have am386 dx 40 with 2mb of ram and vga rtg3105. Wolfenstein is playable, but a bit laggy (cpu is warn not hot about 40 degrees). What should i upgrade?

P.S. Fps is about 20-30

320х200=64 kb per frame
64 x 25 = 1,6 mb for 25 fps
Not so bad value for one of the simpliest vga card.

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Reply 16 of 19, by MikeSG

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Trident 8900D's are as fast as 1995+ ISA cards in DOS but visual quality is bad on LCDs.

Replacing caps improves it by 50%.
Soldering a wire over the two green coils (shorting the connection) improves brightness and quality by another 50%.

Reply 17 of 19, by daniil1909

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PD2JK wrote on 2024-09-21, 05:42:

Can your mainboard take cache memory? That would increase performance quite a bit.

Yes, it have 128kb of cache installed with 15 ns latency

Reply 19 of 19, by daniil1909

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MikeSG wrote on 2024-09-21, 08:38:

Trident 8900D's are as fast as 1995+ ISA cards in DOS but visual quality is bad on LCDs.

Replacing caps improves it by 50%.
Soldering a wire over the two green coils (shorting the connection) improves brightness and quality by another 50%.

I have an crt monitor, so i dont think i would care about quality of pixels.