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Reply 54060 of 55558, by MAZter

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Thermalwrong wrote on 2024-08-24, 19:12:

Huh, it looks like the Japan-only PA2720UJ is actually for the 50CT, check out this vintage Toshiba page! https://dynabook.com/pc/catalog/oldpc/libretto/li235_op.htm
Time for some archiving 😁

Lol, I copy this information from incorrect Solplay post, so this is even better, cause I have 50 and don't have 20CT.

And as a bonus, a possibly non-working 70 model, also not bad!

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Reply 54061 of 55558, by PcBytes

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Today's scores from the car boot sales:

- Athlon 64 3800+ skt 939 - ADA3800DAA4BW - I assume this is the fastest Venice chip for the 939?
- Athlon XP 2200+ skt 462 - AXDC2200DUV3C - ye olde' Thorton chip 🤣
- ASRock K7VT6-C + Athlon XP 2500+ Barton + 1.5GB RAM - untested, has a strange VIA 8235M southbridge - never seen a 8235M before.
Also bundled with the ASRock was a Palit Daytona MX440, a rather small one - suspecting 64 bit bus.

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Reply 54062 of 55558, by G-X

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PcBytes wrote on 2024-08-25, 10:49:
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Today's scores from the car boot sales:

- Athlon 64 3800+ skt 939 - ADA3800DAA4BW - I assume this is the fastest Venice chip for the 939?
- Athlon XP 2200+ skt 462 - AXDC2200DUV3C - ye olde' Thorton chip 🤣
- ASRock K7VT6-C + Athlon XP 2500+ Barton + 1.5GB RAM - untested, has a strange VIA 8235M southbridge - never seen a 8235M before.
Also bundled with the ASRock was a Palit Daytona MX440, a rather small one - suspecting 64 bit bus.

Nice haul! Foarte bine 😁 Is this type of hardware common in Romania?

I assume you are correct about the 3800+ because the 4000+ is a clawhammer.

Reply 54063 of 55558, by PcBytes

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Honestly I wasn't expecting to find a KT600 based ASRock in the wild. In fact, I mistook it for a K7VT4 until I looked closely at the model.
The 3800+ also seems uncommon to me - most you'd find on 939 in the wild are usually 3000 and 3200s, and very rarely 3500s.

As for the 939, it indeed is a single-core 3800+ Venice, according to CPU-World as well. Stepping is NBBWE.
Thankfully I was smart enough to finally pick up some mechanical pencils. Made straightening much easier.

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Reply 54064 of 55558, by Thermalwrong

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MAZter wrote on 2024-08-25, 00:05:
Thermalwrong wrote on 2024-08-24, 19:12:

Huh, it looks like the Japan-only PA2720UJ is actually for the 50CT, check out this vintage Toshiba page! https://dynabook.com/pc/catalog/oldpc/libretto/li235_op.htm
Time for some archiving 😁

Lol, I copy this information from incorrect Solplay post, so this is even better, cause I have 50 and don't have 20CT.

And as a bonus, a possibly non-working 70 model, also not bad!

Huh, was the Libretto 70 from the UK or Japan? Just saw an 'untested' & boxed 70ct up sold yesterday and initially thought it was quite a bargain - it is if you consider accessories like fresh thumbstick covers and box etc. But it's definitely broken since someone's opened up the screen. I do wonder if these would be fixable with some jumped traces, my bad Libretto 70CT went from being unable to use the CMOS battery to working 100% with the CMOS after running two wires through the PCB: Re: What retro activity did you get up to today?
Hope you get your potentially busted 70CT working, they're cool 😀 Think about it, they may be the fastest laptops with sound and a 640x480 res TFT

Regarding that list, it is right in a lot of parts but the dock part codes aren't 100% I think, the spreadsheet someone made in the Toshiba docks thread is closer

Reply 54065 of 55558, by momaka

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Here's my scores from the car boot / weekend flea market today:

- Delta DPS-400MB 1A 400 Watt ATX power supply for ~$3
- 19" LG Flatron 5:4 LCD ~$1
- 32 MB PC100 SDRAM ~$1
- laptop DVD-RW drive by Pioneer, IDE type ~ $0.25
- a bunch of old 12" vinyl records for $0.30 total
- 80's standard Bulgarian rotary dial phone in bright red - FREE (abandoned)
- the usual assortment of old (70's and 80's) resistors, capacitors, and other random crap leftover on the ground at the lot after certain "sellers" (scrappers) leave the boot sale... so yes, these are FREE too
- Logitech wireless mouse that surprisingly still has its transmitter inside (though I haven't checked if it's the right one yet) - free (abandoned)
- black Microsoft PS/2 keyboard of some sort - free (abandoned)
- blue Gigabyte IDE cable - free
- a few free / abandoned tapes and CDs that ended up being a disappointment (nothing interesting that I'd care to listen to again... ever.) But no problem - the CDs all had cases, so they are useful at least for that.

And that sums it up, more or less... at least for the retro computer and electronics items. I was loaded up like a mule. Need to make me one of those "gypsy carts" so I can haul more stuff. Last time I was at the boot sale, I missed a really cool early 2000's PC - one of those cases with a handle at the top (I always wanted one.) Guy was ready to give it to me for $5. It was complete inside with a late Gigabyte s462 mobo and a Gigabyte Radeon 9550 128bit, 2 HDDs, ODDs, and ect. I just couldn't carry it all. Already ended up picking 2x Fujitsu LGA1155 motherboards with i5-2500 each for $7.50, among other stuff.

Anyways, back to the discussion of today's haul...
Nothing's been tested so far.

The DPS-400MB PSU is faulty for sure. I knew that before getting it, though. Its case shell was open and put on backwards. Someone had removed the fan too. Looking inside, I saw several places where the primary side had arced to the case. I also saw what was poop spots from some sort of arachnid (probably spider) that I'm guessing must have started the arc, which then vaporized a trace. Other than that, the fuse is not blown and all of the primary-side silicon appears to be OK. So there's some hope for now that I'll be able to revive it.

As for the 19" LCD... haven't looked at it closer yet. The screen didn't look obviously cracked and it isn't according to the guy who sold it to me. But that means absolutely nothing, as most of the "sellers" at this weekend flea market are usually garbage pickers and/or re-sellers of garbage pickers' stuff... thus, very few test anything or know anything about the condition of the item they are selling. But for $1, it's not a big loss. The seller wanted $3 at first. But seeing I was gonna walk away and that everyone was already closed up and packed away, he was ready to give it to me at any price just so that he wouldn't have to deal with it anymore.

The 32 MB SDRAM... yeah, I know, why even bother with such low amount of RAM. 🤣 Reason I did, though, is I have a Compaq socket 7 mobo that IIRC only accepts up to 32 MB sticks. It's one of those highly-integrated mobo's that already has everything onboard, including 32 MB of RAM. Figured if I can make that to 64 MB, that would be cooler. But that's a built for much further out in the future. Anyways, not sure if this RAM stick is working. Have to wash it first as it's very dirty. I think I saw one of the strap array-resistors near the slot cracked from improper handling. Shouldn't be too hard to change, though. The guy that sold it to me also had some other scrap PC mobos. The most interesting one was a socket 3, complete with CPU and RAM. On a 2nd thought, I don't know why I didn't buy it. I suspect he wouldn't have given it cheap to me. He didn't know what it was though, nor how much it was worth, since he asked me. I gave him a completely fair answer and said he could sell it for quite a lot more online. After all, socket 3 and 5 stuff is a bit too early for my PC knowledge/collections, so I'd rather it end up with someone else. Hopefully the guy will take my advice and sell it online (or give it to someone to sell it online for him, since he seemed like the typical uneducated scrapper that wouldn't know how or where to sell it online.)

Anyways, it was a decent haul of stuff today, but I'm completely exhausted. Standing in the sun for 5 hours and walking all of the stuff back home several Kilometers just did me in. Not even enough strength to take a shower before bed ATM, and I got quite dusty there.

PcBytes wrote on 2024-08-25, 19:20:

Thankfully I was smart enough to finally pick up some mechanical pencils. Made straightening much easier.

I do mine with an old credit card. The width of the CC fits perfectly between s478 and s754/939/AM2/AM3 CPU pins. The nice thing is, I can straighten a whole row of bent pins with a CC. Of course, any pins that are too bent need to be manually addressed first... and for those, indeed it's easier to do with either tweezers or a mechanical pencil.

Reply 54066 of 55558, by BitWrangler

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Nice haul, you need one of those old baby's pram frames with the wire basket on bottom, throw out the bassinet kinda bit and just pile everything on, folds up for storage or travelling empty.

momaka wrote on 2024-08-26, 00:39:
PcBytes wrote on 2024-08-25, 19:20:

Thankfully I was smart enough to finally pick up some mechanical pencils. Made straightening much easier.

I do mine with an old credit card. The width of the CC fits perfectly between s478 and s754/939/AM2/AM3 CPU pins. The nice thing is, I can straighten a whole row of bent pins with a CC. Of course, any pins that are too bent need to be manually addressed first... and for those, indeed it's easier to do with either tweezers or a mechanical pencil.

I have used both of those ways before, but favorite way now is plastic floss picks ... Re: What modern activity did you get up to today?

Unicorn herding operations are proceeding, but all the totes of hens teeth and barrels of rocking horse poop give them plenty of hiding spots.

Reply 54067 of 55558, by AGP4LIfe?

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Picked up this time capsule at an estate sale for $10 Bucks! I love it, all those 90's stickers. In fantastic condition. Unfortunately couldn't find the monitor/keyboard ect at the sale.

Who decides what truth is, and what is their objective? Today’s falseness can reappear as tomorrow’s truth.

Reply 54068 of 55558, by PcBytes

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BitWrangler wrote on 2024-08-26, 00:50:

Nice haul, you need one of those old baby's pram frames with the wire basket on bottom, throw out the bassinet kinda bit and just pile everything on, folds up for storage or travelling empty.

momaka wrote on 2024-08-26, 00:39:
PcBytes wrote on 2024-08-25, 19:20:

Thankfully I was smart enough to finally pick up some mechanical pencils. Made straightening much easier.

I do mine with an old credit card. The width of the CC fits perfectly between s478 and s754/939/AM2/AM3 CPU pins. The nice thing is, I can straighten a whole row of bent pins with a CC. Of course, any pins that are too bent need to be manually addressed first... and for those, indeed it's easier to do with either tweezers or a mechanical pencil.

I have used both of those ways before, but favorite way now is plastic floss picks ... Re: What modern activity did you get up to today?

My preferred methods were either cutter blade or tweezers.

Yeah, I can see why mecha pencils are a blessing. One straightens pins, one unlocks Athlons and Durons 🤣

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Reply 54069 of 55558, by BitWrangler

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Sometimes they don't work for unlocks, you need a high graphite lead, whereas the mechanicals often have a polymer lead that's not very conductive. Best way to test is scribble a load of solid patches of various pencils on a sheet of paper and test resistance with multimeter with the probes close.... even the best ones aren't VERY conductive.

Unicorn herding operations are proceeding, but all the totes of hens teeth and barrels of rocking horse poop give them plenty of hiding spots.

Reply 54070 of 55558, by Trashbytes

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Got this nice clean ASRock 939Dual Sata2 for a good price, seems like the perfect board for the 4800+ or an Opteron 180, they are essentially the same CPU just depends on which one I can dig out of the CPU box first.

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Comes with everything except the manual, also doesnt appear to have any bad caps but will get a good testing once its here.

Reply 54071 of 55558, by dormcat

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AGP4LIfe? wrote on 2024-08-26, 00:59:

Picked up this time capsule at an estate sale for $10 Bucks! I love it, all those 90's stickers. In fantastic condition. Unfortunately couldn't find the monitor/keyboard ect at the sale.

The A3D sound card alone is a great deal. Hope it's a Mendocino 300A, not a Covington 300.

Reply 54072 of 55558, by rasz_pl

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AGP4LIfe? wrote on 2024-08-26, 00:59:

Picked up this time capsule at an estate sale for $10 Bucks! I love it, all those 90's stickers. In fantastic condition. Unfortunately couldn't find the monitor/keyboard ect at the sale.

Supermarket warrior, perfect PC for grandma to read mail 😀. Lovely example of post .com boom low end enshitification. 440LX with integrated Ati Rage LT 2MB and no AGP slot, CPU can even be Celeron 300Mhz without L2. Almost no room for any upgrades, 566 Celeron and Voodoo3 PCI maxes it out.
https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/mitac- … -l-l-compaq-oem
https://ameblo.jp/rurina0412/entry-10792398576.html
At first I was thinking 'Hey, at least it was a cheap 1999 computer', right? But no, it was sold in 2002 for $1000
EDIT: actually yes, its either December 1998 or very early 1999. Following Cnet article has wrong date attribution, all listed computers are from 1998/99:

1 HP Pavilion 6330 - AMD K6-2 300 MHz, 48MB memory (how?), SiS 5598 motherboard with integrated "graphics". $800 + $300 15" M50 monitor
2 Compaq Presario 5030 - Pentium II 300 MHz, 64MB, Zip drive included! 17" MV700 monitor. $1650
3 Compaq Presario 2256 - AMD K6 300 MHz, 48MB, 430VX with integrated 2MB S3 Virge. $900 + ~$260 15" monitor
4 Compaq Presario 5020 - Celeron 300 MHz, 64MB. $1000 + ~$260 15" monitor
5 Apple iMac (233 MHz), 32MB, 6 MB ATI Rage Pro Turbo. $1300
6 IBM Aptiva something K6-2 300 MHz. Who knows hot much.
7 Packard Bell Club 30 - Cyrix MII 300 CPU 233 MHz, 32MB, SiS 5598 motherboard with integrated "graphics", 14" monitor. ~$800

iMac most expensive but surprisingly best choice from this big store dreg.
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https://www.cnet.com/tech/tech-industry/amd-c … ntel-in-retail/ and was battling it out against Apple iMac 😮
You got yourself a time capsule!

dormcat wrote on 2024-08-26, 10:38:

The A3D sound card alone is a great deal.

Most likely its ESS 1869/­1887/­1888 with A3D driver compatibility layer.

dormcat wrote on 2024-08-26, 10:38:

Hope it's a Mendocino 300A, not a Covington 300.

its Covington :]

Last edited by rasz_pl on 2024-08-26, 19:35. Edited 2 times in total.

https://github.com/raszpl/FIC-486-GAC-2-Cache-Module for AT&T Globalyst
https://github.com/raszpl/386RC-16 memory board
https://github.com/raszpl/440BX Reference Design adapted to Kicad
https://github.com/raszpl/Zenith_ZBIOS MFM-300 Monitor

Reply 54073 of 55558, by dormcat

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rasz_pl wrote on 2024-08-26, 12:31:

Most likely its ESS 1869/­1887/­1888 with A3D driver compatibility layer.

its Covington :]

Ouch. 😅 Guess it has such a "fantastic condition" for a reason.

Reply 54074 of 55558, by AGP4LIfe?

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rasz_pl wrote on 2024-08-26, 12:31:
Supermarket warrior, perfect PC for grandma to read mail :). Lovely example of post .com boom low end enshitification. 440LX wit […]
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AGP4LIfe? wrote on 2024-08-26, 00:59:

Picked up this time capsule at an estate sale for $10 Bucks! I love it, all those 90's stickers. In fantastic condition. Unfortunately couldn't find the monitor/keyboard ect at the sale.

Supermarket warrior, perfect PC for grandma to read mail 😀. Lovely example of post .com boom low end enshitification. 440LX with integrated Ati Rage LT 2MB and no AGP slot, CPU can even be Celeron 300Mhz without L2. Almost no room for any upgrades, 566 Celeron and Voodoo3 PCI maxes it out.
https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/mitac- … -l-l-compaq-oem
https://ameblo.jp/rurina0412/entry-10792398576.html
At first I was thinking 'Hey, at least it was a cheap 1999 computer', right? But no, it was sold in 2002 for $1000 https://www.cnet.com/tech/tech-industry/amd-c … ntel-in-retail/ and was battling it out against Apple iMac 😮
Afaik there might have been two versions, 1998 LX/EX + ATI and later Intel 810.
You got yourself a time capsule!

dormcat wrote on 2024-08-26, 10:38:

The A3D sound card alone is a great deal.

Most likely its ESS 1869/­1887/­1888 with A3D driver compatibility layer.

dormcat wrote on 2024-08-26, 10:38:

Hope it's a Mendocino 300A, not a Covington 300.

its Covington :]

🤣 its Glorious isn't it! The ideal Shi* Box. All the things that makes it worse, makes me love it more hahaha. Its seriously in pristine condition. and it has an ISA slot 😁! Interesting about the no L2 Cache Celeron, I'll have to check! It also has a really weird Flat panel display port that I have never seen before.

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Reply 54075 of 55558, by buckeye

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AGP4LIfe? wrote on 2024-08-26, 00:59:

Picked up this time capsule at an estate sale for $10 Bucks! I love it, all those 90's stickers. In fantastic condition. Unfortunately couldn't find the monitor/keyboard ect at the sale.

Nice catch! Excellent condition as it's not beat to death like most you see.

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Intel SE440BX P3 450 256MB 80GB SSD Asus V7700 GF2 64mb SB 32pnp 350W 98SE
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Trashbytes wrote on 2024-08-26, 07:57:
Got this nice clean ASRock 939Dual Sata2 for a good price, seems like the perfect board for the 4800+ or an Opteron 180, they ar […]
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Got this nice clean ASRock 939Dual Sata2 for a good price, seems like the perfect board for the 4800+ or an Opteron 180, they are essentially the same CPU just depends on which one I can dig out of the CPU box first.

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Comes with everything except the manual, also doesnt appear to have any bad caps but will get a good testing once its here.

Very nice!! I have always wanted to get my hands on that board, but it has always been pretty spendy.

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Reply 54077 of 55558, by BitWrangler

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dormcat wrote on 2024-08-26, 13:12:
rasz_pl wrote on 2024-08-26, 12:31:

Most likely its ESS 1869/­1887/­1888 with A3D driver compatibility layer.

its Covington :]

Ouch. 😅 Guess it has such a "fantastic condition" for a reason.

Wow covington, I'm suddenly suspecting the benchmarks were rigged 🤣

Unicorn herding operations are proceeding, but all the totes of hens teeth and barrels of rocking horse poop give them plenty of hiding spots.

Reply 54078 of 55558, by Munx

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AGP4LIfe? wrote on 2024-08-26, 14:35:
rasz_pl wrote on 2024-08-26, 12:31:
Supermarket warrior, perfect PC for grandma to read mail :). Lovely example of post .com boom low end enshitification. 440LX wit […]
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AGP4LIfe? wrote on 2024-08-26, 00:59:

Picked up this time capsule at an estate sale for $10 Bucks! I love it, all those 90's stickers. In fantastic condition. Unfortunately couldn't find the monitor/keyboard ect at the sale.

Supermarket warrior, perfect PC for grandma to read mail 😀. Lovely example of post .com boom low end enshitification. 440LX with integrated Ati Rage LT 2MB and no AGP slot, CPU can even be Celeron 300Mhz without L2. Almost no room for any upgrades, 566 Celeron and Voodoo3 PCI maxes it out.
https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/mitac- … -l-l-compaq-oem
https://ameblo.jp/rurina0412/entry-10792398576.html
At first I was thinking 'Hey, at least it was a cheap 1999 computer', right? But no, it was sold in 2002 for $1000 https://www.cnet.com/tech/tech-industry/amd-c … ntel-in-retail/ and was battling it out against Apple iMac 😮
Afaik there might have been two versions, 1998 LX/EX + ATI and later Intel 810.
You got yourself a time capsule!

dormcat wrote on 2024-08-26, 10:38:

The A3D sound card alone is a great deal.

Most likely its ESS 1869/­1887/­1888 with A3D driver compatibility layer.

dormcat wrote on 2024-08-26, 10:38:

Hope it's a Mendocino 300A, not a Covington 300.

its Covington :]

🤣 its Glorious isn't it! The ideal Shi* Box. All the things that makes it worse, makes me love it more hahaha. Its seriously in pristine condition. and it has an ISA slot 😁! Interesting about the no L2 Cache Celeron, I'll have to check! It also has a really weird Flat panel display port that I have never seen before.

The way the adverts on the stickers omit just enough info is gloriously slimy - the "2X" on the "AGP graphics" to confuse you to think its an actual port, the A3D logo, but without a Aureal Vortex logo so a buyer couldn't complain its not a real Aureal chip...Truly sleazy big box store vibes 😁

Still an amazing catch and a time capsule. Big bonus for the sliding USB cover not missing.

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The FireStarter 2.0 - The wooden K5
The Underdog - The budget K6
The Voodoo powerhouse - The power-hungry K7
The troll PC - The Socket 423 Pentium 4

Reply 54079 of 55558, by G-X

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AGP4LIfe? wrote on 2024-08-26, 00:59:

Picked up this time capsule at an estate sale for $10 Bucks! I love it, all those 90's stickers. In fantastic condition. Unfortunately couldn't find the monitor/keyboard ect at the sale.

What a beauty! Almost looks like it was never used!

During a nostalgic moment i bought a similar one for €60 (with speakers that attach to monitor aswell) because it was the first new computer our parents bought for my brother who needed one for school.
It wasn't exactly the one me and my brother used to have (that one had a AMD k6 II 400mhz and no door on the case or usb, must have been a slightly earlier model).

Powered it on and had a laugh with going through the P/O's win98 .. then second time i went to power it on ... BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ (standard bigfoot noises) TICK*TICK*TICK*TICK*TICK ( not so standard bigfoot noises ) 😒
I still wonder how it was able to power on and work flawless one last time (first time since me buying it) and then Clunk .. dead.

Hope yours last longer than mine :p