gdjacobs wrote on 2022-08-24, 01:29:

CTMOUSE is great, but I ran into problems loading Overlord with it.
https://www.mobygames.com/game/overlord-

What was the exact problem and what version of CTMOUSE dit you use? I just tried the game with CTMOUSE version 2.1 beta4 and had no problems at all. Still looking for the first game that doesn't work with this driver so had to try it. 😜

I think it was from the 1.9 series on Freedos. Can't tell you for sure which game version it was.

Do you get driver conflicts or incompatibilities in Windows 3.x if you use a different driver other than MSCDEX.exe ?

This driver supports UDMA and only takes up 10k of memory.
ftp://ftp.aopen.com/pub/driver/cdrom/cd_drv/cd602.exe

10 KB ? is a lot....

Had my problem with cd drivers...
On my oldest working PC (Compaq Prolinea 5120), VIDECDD.SYS works just fine with the old Sony 4x CD-ROM.

My other two older DOS/Win98 retro systeme are Super Socket 7, with more modern DVD-drives.
Everrything was working except CD audio. Tried three other sound cards, but still the same problem (only on DOS)
No it was the CD driver all the time.

I also tested a smaller replacement for mscdex (SHSUCDX), but at least one game was incompatible. Armored Fist 2, one of my favorites.^^
I recommend keeping mscdex , and using MTMCDAI.SYS as the CD driver. Of course, no optimization in memory, but the highest compatibility, at least for all my games.
If you should have any problems with the cd audio, you can test it:
https://www.file-upload.net/download-15106775 … TMCDAI.SYS.html

For CD audio usually you need the cable directly from DVD to sound card. At least is waht i use in older systems.

Yoghoo wrote on 2022-08-24, 13:45:

gdjacobs wrote on 2022-08-24, 01:29:

CTMOUSE is great, but I ran into problems loading Overlord with it.
https://www.mobygames.com/game/overlord-

What was the exact problem and what version of CTMOUSE dit you use? I just tried the game with CTMOUSE version 2.1 beta4 and had no problems at all. Still looking for the first game that doesn't work with this driver so had to try it. 😜

Have you tried Delphine adventure games such as Cruise for a Corpse, Future Wars, etc. ? CTMOUSE just caused the cursor to fly to the side of the screen for me in these games.

red_avatar wrote on 2023-04-03, 10:58:

Yoghoo wrote on 2022-08-24, 13:45:

gdjacobs wrote on 2022-08-24, 01:29:

CTMOUSE is great, but I ran into problems loading Overlord with it.
https://www.mobygames.com/game/overlord-

What was the exact problem and what version of CTMOUSE dit you use? I just tried the game with CTMOUSE version 2.1 beta4 and had no problems at all. Still looking for the first game that doesn't work with this driver so had to try it. 😜

Have you tried Delphine adventure games such as Cruise for a Corpse, Future Wars, etc. ? CTMOUSE just caused the cursor to fly to the side of the screen for me in these games.

EDIT:
Just tested it with Cruise for a Corpse and no problems here with CTMOUSE version 2.1 beta4. This is on a 486/66 with Dos 6.22 and Qemm 9.0 EMM386.

Also tested it on a 386DX/25 with Dos 5.0 and Qemm 9.0 without problems

For CD audio usually you need the cable directly from DVD to sound card. At least is waht i use in older systems.

Sure. All my old systeme need the cd audio cable, because there is no Digital Audio option in Windows.
So the cable was there. CD audio an music CD worked fine in Windows, but no CD music of any kind on DOS.
Yeah, so wrong mixer settings? Nope, CD audio was on, still no music.
I randomly tested other cd drivers, and there was the solution.

Edit:
I have a similar problem with ctmouse. Version 2.0a4 works for me, but a newer version causes problems.
Siedler 2 (Settlers II) ->The entire pc freezes in the game start screen. I don't know why, but everything works again with the older ctmouse version.

nuno14272 wrote on 2023-04-03, 10:17:

For CD audio usually you need the cable directly from DVD to sound card. At least is waht i use in older systems.

It depends on CD player program.
In late 90's I had used a player that works via IDE interface and doesn't requite analog cable between drive and sound card even under DOS.
BTW it's a good subject for Saturday evening software archaeology. I'm gonna look for it.

froller wrote on 2023-04-08, 00:24:

It depends on CD player program. In late 90's I had used a player that works via IDE interface and doesn't requite analog cable […]
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nuno14272 wrote on 2023-04-03, 10:17:

For CD audio usually you need the cable directly from DVD to sound card. At least is waht i use in older systems.

It depends on CD player program.
In late 90's I had used a player that works via IDE interface and doesn't requite analog cable between drive and sound card even under DOS.
BTW it's a good subject for Saturday evening software archaeology. I'm gonna look for it.

MPXPlay can do digital audio extraction, but most DOS games just use analog audio.

I always use an old version of Jack. R. Ellis driver: XCDROM.SYS. It's small and does the job.

It's good too bad that apparently the site is now dead, latest version was from 2022 first july if I remember right.

I suggest that you boot the CD-ROM GOD floppy disk, find out which drivers work with your CD-ROM (there will be several, if the one from OAK works for you) and use the one that is the most memory efficient.

If that disk doesn’t work with your CD-ROM then your CD-ROM is broken or no driver for it exists.

That disk has 50 CD-ROM drivers on it. Or, was it 70? I don’t remember.

EDIT: It’s 50, not 70.

https://archive.org/details/cdgod55_exe

This is version 5.5. I might have a later version but I’d have to look.

I use the teac driver just because it lets you reduce the cd rom speed. Old games tend to read often and high speed CD Roms are disturbingly loud. Maybe not optimal memory wise but it works for me.

Saw this the other day. Useful?

https://youtu.be/Nbw5klso-VY

r00tb33r wrote on 2024-08-12, 13:39:

Saw this the other day. Useful?

https://youtu.be/Nbw5klso-VY

Subject matter could be useful (conventional memory optimization), but unless there is something very specific in that video about CDROM drivers, I'm not sure how it's relevant to this thread.

yes it's very verbose but in the end?
Are we all going to use 960kb of conventional ram? It doesn't seem so.

Nemo1985 wrote on 2024-08-12, 15:27:

yes it's very verbose but in the end?
Are we all going to use 960kb of conventional ram? It doesn't seem so.

Yeah, but when you can get anything close to that you pretty much don't need to worry about the size of your TSRs... Just use whichever you like.