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First post, by AppleSauce

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So pretty much the title kind of says it all , I swapped my 80 gig caviar black drive for a 80 gig intel ssd on my p3b-f rig winning win98se and imaged the hdd to the ssd using winimage, I used one of those sata to ide adaptors to connect it and it detected the drive fine but refuses to boot from it.

Is there a way to get it to work?

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Reply 1 of 39, by H3nrik V!

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Sounds a bit like some setting wasn't copied correctly, like "primary partition" or "active" or something like that.

Do you have a boot floppy so you can see if an OS sees the SSD?

If it's dual it's kind of cool ... 😎

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Please use the "quote" option if asking questions to what I write - it will really up the chances of me noticing 😀

Reply 2 of 39, by kixs

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Use Ghost or some other cloning/imaging software.

Requests here!

Reply 3 of 39, by AppleSauce

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Yeah fdisk won't detect the drive it seems.

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Reply 4 of 39, by jmarsh

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Set the "Type" in the BIOS to LBA rather than auto.

Reply 5 of 39, by AppleSauce

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jmarsh wrote on 2024-07-02, 09:39:

Set the "Type" in the BIOS to LBA rather than auto.

I did but it wouldnt boot.

Reply 6 of 39, by AppleSauce

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i mounted the disk image in 86box and it booted fine , could it be that the bridge chip on the ssd to ide converter is one of non compatible ones?

Reply 7 of 39, by AppleSauce

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Okay apparently the chip is a jm20330 , so that shouldn't be a problem apparently.

I don't get what gives , i got a msata drive to work on my socket 7 motherboard from 1997 but for some reason a 1999 slot 1 mobo won't play nice with a regular sata drive.

Reply 8 of 39, by darry

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That's an odd one to me.

I have used a P3B-F with a variety of adapters, including JMicron and Marvell ones successfully. Samsung 860 series SSDs (possibly 870s too) are what I have I have used.

While I strongly suspect your issue will not be helped by it (your drive is smaller than 127GB) , maybe you could have a look at this or
even try it Adding XT-IDE option ROM to Asus P3B-F BIOS [Thanks to DenizOezmen, it actually works!!!] .

Maybe you are hitting some weird BIOS bug.

Reply 9 of 39, by crusher

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Look at the partition style of your SSD in a modern PC.
Could be that for some reasons it's GPT instead of MBR.

Reply 10 of 39, by AppleSauce

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crusher wrote on 2024-07-02, 13:24:

Look at the partition style of your SSD in a modern PC.
Could be that for some reasons it's GPT instead of MBR.

Its MBR for sure.

Reply 11 of 39, by AppleSauce

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I just tried the ssd on my current windows 10 pc (I'm facepalming for not trying this before) and it booted fine , well not all the way but that's because my win10 machine is too new for win98 , so that tells me the drive isn't the problem.

Its either the sata bridge controller or the asus bios.

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Reply 12 of 39, by AppleSauce

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darry wrote on 2024-07-02, 13:17:
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That's an odd one to me.

I have used a P3B-F with a variety of adapters, including JMicron and Marvell ones successfully. Samsung 860 series SSDs (possibly 870s too) are what I have I have used.

While I strongly suspect your issue will not be helped by it (your drive is smaller than 127GB) , maybe you could have a look at this or
even try it Adding XT-IDE option ROM to Asus P3B-F BIOS [Thanks to DenizOezmen, it actually works!!!] .

Maybe you are hitting some weird BIOS bug.

You might be onto something , it might be the jmicron chip doesn't like my drive or some weird bios issue.

Reply 13 of 39, by AppleSauce

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I installed the xtide bios but it doesn't seem to do anything. 😒

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Reply 14 of 39, by konc

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At this point I'd try to setup the drive from scratch on the target machine. This means connect it on a machine that it works, do a fdisk/mbr and delete all partitions.

Then if fdisk still doesn't work, you'll know it has nothing to do with the cloning and you'll have confirmed a hardware or BIOS incompatibility.

Reply 15 of 39, by darry

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AppleSauce wrote on 2024-07-05, 10:09:

I installed the xtide bios but it doesn't seem to do anything. 😒

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Did you enable it after flashing ?

You need to go to the CMOS setup and enable the Symbios SCSI BIOS.

EDIT: You may also need to either "disable" the IDE port you want to use in the main BIOS or set it to NONE (it has been a while and I can't test it right now) and make sure that SCSI is selected as one of the boot devices

Reply 16 of 39, by AppleSauce

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darry wrote on 2024-07-05, 11:20:
Did you enable it after flashing ? […]
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AppleSauce wrote on 2024-07-05, 10:09:

I installed the xtide bios but it doesn't seem to do anything. 😒

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Did you enable it after flashing ?

You need to go to the CMOS setup and enable the Symbios SCSI BIOS.

EDIT: You may also need to either "disable" the IDE port you want to use in the main BIOS or set it to NONE (it has been a while and I can't test it right now) and make sure that SCSI is selected as one of the boot devices

Where is the symbios option located?

Reply 17 of 39, by darry

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AppleSauce wrote on 2024-07-05, 11:32:
darry wrote on 2024-07-05, 11:20:
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AppleSauce wrote on 2024-07-05, 10:09:

I installed the xtide bios but it doesn't seem to do anything. 😒

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Did you enable it after flashing ?

You need to go to the CMOS setup and enable the Symbios SCSI BIOS.

EDIT: You may also need to either "disable" the IDE port you want to use in the main BIOS or set it to NONE (it has been a while and I can't test it right now) and make sure that SCSI is selected as one of the boot devices

Where is the symbios option located?

In the main motherboard BIOS menu (CMOS setup). It is either named Symbios SCSI BIOS, SCSI BIOS or something similar. I do not remember exactly and can not check right now.

Reply 18 of 39, by AppleSauce

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I found it already , thanks though for mentioning it even being there , i had no idea it had to be manually enabled in the bios.

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Huzaah we have success! 😁

Reply 19 of 39, by AppleSauce

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I do have another issue now though , XTIDE wont detect my pioneer dvd drives.