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First post, by OpenRift

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Having spent the past month and a half or so getting deeper into retro computing, I've come across the phenomenon of certain DOS games that don't quite run as well in Windows 95/98's DOS as they do when rebooting into full DOS mode. The games I've discovered to have this issue so far include Epic Pinball (stuttery ball physics under Windows), Alien Carnage/Halloween Harry (menus run too fast, causing me to inadvertently skip past the mission select menu), and the DOS version of Quake (runs too fast). These all seem to run just fine in DOS. I imagine this just has to do with the nature of Windows 95 and 98's timing compared to pure DOS. With that said, is there like a resource or list for games that have issues running under Win9x but run better in DOS mode?

Reply 1 of 9, by myne

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Check the memory settings for the dos window.
Rule that out as a factor first.

That said, running 2 os' will always require more of an overhead than one.

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Reply 2 of 9, by OpenRift

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myne wrote on 2024-03-21, 20:58:

Check the memory settings for the dos window.
Rule that out as a factor first.

That said, running 2 os' will always require more of an overhead than one.

Is there something I'd need to change there? I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be looking for.

Reply 3 of 9, by Garrett W

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Yes, quite a few games don't really play nice with Win9x's DOS Box. I don't know of any list and depending on the hardware you are using games will behave differently. I believe Quake runs okay if you are using period correct hardware and I know for certain that its timing issues were fixed with the latest patch.
Another game I can think of that will not work in Windows is the DOS version of Mortal Kombat 3. This was the game that taught me the necessity of boot disks ! It will always crash as soon as you hit the character select screen.

Reply 4 of 9, by GL1zdA

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Yes, there's such a list, it was published by Microsoft in 1995:
Q132994: Games (A-H) Requiring or Performing Better in MS-DOS Mode
Q132995: Games (I-Q) Requiring or Performing Better in MS-DOS Mode
Q132996: Games (R-Z) Requiring or Performing Better in MS-DOS Mode

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Reply 5 of 9, by elszgensa

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GL1zdA wrote on 2024-03-21, 22:09:

Yes, there's such a list, it was published by Microsoft

Didn't know that existed. Nice. For quick reference, these are the titles:

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1942: The Pacific Air War
Aces of the Deep
Aegis: Guardian of the Fleet
Archon Ultra
Arctic Baron
Are You Afraid of the Dark?
Battle Chess 4000
Battledrome
Beneath a Steel Sky
Bioforge
Bloodnet
Brett Hull Hockey 95
Bridge Olympiad
Chessmaster 3000
Chuck Yeager's Air Combat
Club Dead
Comanche Overkill
Command Adventures Starship
Curse of the Catacombs
Cyber Race
CyberWar
Cyclones
Dark Forces
Darkseed
Death Gate
Dino Park Tycoon 1.0
Dognapped
Dracula Unleashed
Dragon's Lair
DreamForge
Dungeon Master
Eight Ball Deluxe
Empire Deluxe
Falcon AT
Fields of Glory
FIFA International Soccer
Fifth Fleet
Flight of the Intruder
Flight Simulator Tool Kit - World War II
Freakin' Funky Fuzzballs
Front Page Sports
FX Fighter
Gabriel Knight for MS-DOS
Game Pak III
Goblins 2
Grand Prix
Great Naval Battles 1939-1942
Harpoon 2
Helicopter Simulator
Hell - A Cyberpunk Thriller
The Horde
The Humans
Inca MM CD
Indy Car Racing
Inferno: The Odyssey Continues
Ishar 3
Isle of the Dead
Jutland
Entertainment
King's Quest III
Show last 76 lines
Lawnmower Man
Lemmings
Lemmings II - Tribes
Lemmings Chronicles
Links 386 CD
Lost in Time
Machiavelli the Prince
Mammals
Mechwarrior 2
Menzoberranzan
Metaltech: Earthsiege
Mickey's 1-2-3
Microcosm
MIG-29
Mixed-up Mother Goose
More Lemmings
Mortal Kombat II
NASCAR Racing
NBA Live '95
NCAA Basketball - Road to the Final Four 2
One Must Fall
Oregon Trail Deluxe
Pacific Strike,
PGA Tour Golf 486
Pinball 2000
Pinball Arcade
Pinball Fantasies
The Playroom
PowerHits BattleTech
PowerHits Movies
Privateer
Putt-Putt Joins the Parade
Quarantine
Realms of Arkania - Blade of Destiny
Rebel Assault
Relentless Twinsen's Adventure
Return to Zork
Rise of the Robots
Robinson's Requiem
Rodney's Funscreen
Sabre
Sam 'n Max Hit the Road
Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe
Shadowcaster
Sherlock Holmes Consulting Detective
SimCity Classic
SimHealth
SimLife
Simon the Sorcerer
Slam City with Scottie Pippen
Sound Configuration Utility
Space Adventure II
Speed Racer
Stalingrad
Star Crusader
Strike Commander
Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo
Syndicate (and add-ons)
System Shock
The Treehouse
Trump Castle 3
Ultima VII - The Black Gate
Ultima VII - Part II - Serpent Isle
Ultima VIII - Pagan
Ultimate Football
Ultrabots
Under a Killing Moon
US Navy Fighters
Wing Commander II
Wing Commander II - Special Operations Disk
Wing Commander Armada
Wings of Glory
Wordtris
World Atlas version 4
World of Xeen - Might and Magic
Zephyr

It seems incomplete though, despite being dated 2001? For example, I remember having issues with Crusader: No Remorse from '95 (or possibly Regret from 96, I forget which one) - iirc it even says to run it in DOS in the manual. But it's not on the list. Maybe they fixed it later and took it off, who knows.

Reply 6 of 9, by leileilol

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Crusader released after Windows 95 and that's when they wrote the list. 2001's probably a timestamp about housekeeping

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Reply 7 of 9, by OpenRift

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GL1zdA wrote on 2024-03-21, 22:09:
Yes, there's such a list, it was published by Microsoft in 1995: Q132994: Games (A-H) Requiring or Performing Better in MS-DOS M […]
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Yes, there's such a list, it was published by Microsoft in 1995:
Q132994: Games (A-H) Requiring or Performing Better in MS-DOS Mode
Q132995: Games (I-Q) Requiring or Performing Better in MS-DOS Mode
Q132996: Games (R-Z) Requiring or Performing Better in MS-DOS Mode

Well, it doesn't seem to encompass everything (Epic Pinball and Alien Carnage are missing for example), but it's a good start for a modern list, should anyone desire to make one.

Reply 8 of 9, by Robbbert

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In Win98SE, in normal windows mode:
- Duke Nukum II crashes on the 2nd level
- Duke Nukem 3D can occasionally crash, especially on the secret rocket level
- Redneck Rampage will crash on the last level when you're supposed to get teleported into a flying saucer.

However Curse of the Catacombs which is listed there works fine for me, as do the other games in that series (Catacomb Abyss and Terror of the Catacombs).

Lemmings is a known troublemaker - it runs, but the graphics along the bottom are corrupted. It runs ok if you get the machine to reboot into full DOS mode.

Reply 9 of 9, by OpenRift

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Robbbert wrote on 2024-03-22, 07:13:
In Win98SE, in normal windows mode: - Duke Nukum II crashes on the 2nd level - Duke Nukem 3D can occasionally crash, especially […]
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In Win98SE, in normal windows mode:
- Duke Nukum II crashes on the 2nd level
- Duke Nukem 3D can occasionally crash, especially on the secret rocket level
- Redneck Rampage will crash on the last level when you're supposed to get teleported into a flying saucer.

However Curse of the Catacombs which is listed there works fine for me, as do the other games in that series (Catacomb Abyss and Terror of the Catacombs).

Lemmings is a known troublemaker - it runs, but the graphics along the bottom are corrupted. It runs ok if you get the machine to reboot into full DOS mode.

I dunno about those, Duke II and Duke 3D I've played in Win98SE and they work just fine. I think that might be something to do with your settings. RR is probably the same.