W.x. wrote on 2023-02-15, 02:31:

JayAlien wrote on 2023-02-12, 21:29:

Thanks, found this thread.
I have what looks to be one of the Dell low profile versions. On the back it states ATI Rage 128 Ultra w/ 32mb. The blue VGA connection looks to have the HIS branding on the inside....

I'd given up on at after trying 4 different driver packages, none of which would detect the card. Used the beta drivers from Soggi, card seems to work now. It's in with a PII-400 so I'll see what it can do.

Just from curiosity. Is it this version?
download/file.php?mode=view&id=157638

I’ve been looking for the proper drivers for this exact card. I’ve done some research and I think it’s a Sapphire Xpert 2000 Pro

It's Sapphire/PC Partner card, because of PC Partner code 35-.... (left top part of card). They were cooperating.
Soggis drivers worked for me 6.13.10.5016 (Beta) winxp https://soggi.org/drivers/ati.htm

It's not Xpert 2000 Pro Ultra version thought, that's different PCB with Ati code

Xpert 2000 pro has PCB with cut off part and it's Ati card (code 109-....)
https://www.vgamuseum.info/index.php/cpu/item … ti-rage-128-pro

Does anyone know why there were so many different PCI IDs for these cards if they were already compatible with official ATI drivers?

W.x. wrote on 2023-02-18, 17:36:

It's Sapphire/PC Partner card, because of PC Partner code 35-.... (left top part of card). They were cooperating. Soggis driver […]
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It's Sapphire/PC Partner card, because of PC Partner code 35-.... (left top part of card). They were cooperating.
Soggis drivers worked for me 6.13.10.5016 (Beta) winxp https://soggi.org/drivers/ati.htm

It's not Xpert 2000 Pro Ultra version thought, that's different PCB with Ati code

Xpert 2000 pro has PCB with cut off part and it's Ati card (code 109-....)
https://www.vgamuseum.info/index.php/cpu/item … ti-rage-128-pro

Mine has the part number “1024 4106 0D SA” on the back and when I put it in Google it came back with this.

https://www.gpuzoo.com/GPU-Sapphire/Xpert2000 … 2106-LD-SA.html

Not sure how reliable gpuzoo isn’t with the old stuff though.

corgi74 wrote on 2023-02-18, 21:29:

Mine has the part number “1024 4106 0D SA” on the back and when I put it in Google it came back with this.

https://www.gpuzoo.com/GPU-Sapphire/Xpert2000 … 2106-LD-SA.html

Not sure how reliable gpuzoo isn’t with the old stuff though.

Yea, it's here
https://www.vgamuseum.info/index.php/cpu/item … e-128-pro-ultra

I have similiar, only one number is changed for letter F
1024-F106-0D-SA
https://www.amazon.com/ATI-1024-F106-0D-SA-12 … O/dp/B01ALJ2YDK

That's PCPartner/Sapphire. You can see, both of them have PC Partner code. So it cannot be Xpert 2000 pro, because that's Ati card, with cut off PCB and code 109-65700-xx

Meatball wrote on 2023-02-12, 23:10:

Try these drivers from Dell. I have several different types of Dell ATI Ultras, including the low-profile versions and these w […]
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Try these drivers from Dell. I have several different types of Dell ATI Ultras, including the low-profile versions and these worked:

R0045.EXE is for Windows 2000
R1231.EXE is for Windows XP
ATIM9A06.7z is for Windows 9x (You'll need 7-ZIP or similar utility to extract into ATIM9A0.EXE.)

Uh man, I hate this confusing bullshit... Considering to put the latest Dell drivers on my ATI drivers page (https://soggi.org/drivers/ati.htm) I was searching for the downloads at Dell's website and found this (f.e.):

ATI Rage 128 Ultra 32MB, v.6.65 WXP, A08 (05 Sept. 2003, R41231.EXE)
ATI Rage 128 Ultra 16MB, v. 6.65 WXP, A08 (25 Juni 2002, R41232.EXE)

So you might think there are two different driver packages and the one for the 16 MB version is more than one year older than the package for the 32 MB version of the ATI Rage 128 Ultra. The truth is that the two packages contain exactly the same files except the "Version.txt" and both packages were created on Mon Apr 8 in 2002. So it is just confusing bullshit to have two packages.

Nevertheless, do you think it's worth it to have the latest Dell drivers on my page?

kind regards
soggi

Hi everyone!
I desperately need help with my Rage 128 Pro card. I had a perfectly working setup with the following combo 2xvoodoo 2 SLI + ATI Rage 128 32mb AGP until I decided to do an upgrade to Radeon 9700. First of all, the upgrade didn't work out. I use Win98 and when I put R9700, the voodoo setup just stops working (rundll error), if I delete the R9700 drivers the voodoo returns from the dead. I tried multiple drivers for 4 days of trial and error to no avail and dropped the idea.

Now to the point, in the process of troubleshooting, I used a driver sweeper to clean all "potentially" conflicting drivers, including the Rage 128. Now I CAN NOT GET MY RAGE128 BACK 😀
I can't find the archive that I used in the past and now I downloaded a bunch of various versions which show me an error that there is no compatible hardware!
I also can't force the driver installation through the driver update page, because whenever I tell Windows to search for rage 128 drivers in the "Atidrive" folder it says "the folder does not contain hardware information"
I'm stuck, please HELP!
The board is Manli Rage 128 Pro/Ultra 32 mb AGP 4x on a black PCB. A really cool-looking one.
I windows I have it installed as a Standard VGA adapter, but upon the automatic installation none of the existing packs (from the tread and elsewhere) are detecting it!
Thank you in advance.

Decided to attach a couple of pictures.

soggi wrote on 2024-07-21, 14:17:

Nevertheless, do you think it's worth it to have the latest Dell drivers on my page?

What do you (@all) think?

MaDGyrus wrote on 2024-09-12, 13:41:

I'm stuck, please HELP!

I guess you already tested the ATI Rage 128 (Pro) drivers for Win98(SE)/ME (version 4.13.7192 and 4.13.01.8006 [Beta]) from my website (https://soggi.org/drivers/ati.htm)?

Beside the Windows XP drivers I mentioned above there are also Windows 98(SE)/ME drivers from Dell:

ATI Rage 128 Ultra 32MB, v. 6.59 W98SE, A06
ATI Rage 128 Ultra 16MB, v. 6.59 W98SE, WME, A06

Did you already test them?

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Edit: Noticed that Kahenraz already linked to the Dell drivers in the first post... Sorry! 😒

Edit2: On the backside of the card (second picture) you can see that it was produced in 2002/07, so it's a late card.

Edit3: --- TBA/TBC --- (still searching)

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kind regards
soggi

Hi soggi, thanks for your reply

I guess you already tested the ATI Rage 128 (Pro) drivers for Win98(SE)/ME (version 4.13.7192 and 4.13.01.8006 [Beta]) from my website

I tried a lot of different packages (attaching a few screenshots of all what I've tried).

I think that if I force install of a certain driver things should be good ( force install from the device manager > update driver page). I just need to have the extracted driver files in the folder so that I don't receive the message that "this folder does not have hardware info"

You're welcome!

OK, so you tried the drivers I mentioned above...

I don't have good news concerning my "Edit3" above until now. I thought that maybe Manli has had some "special" drivers back then, but the Wayback Machine doesn't have a copy of the driver linked on the download page. For example I found this: https://web.archive.org/web/20030812134127/ht … i.com/down.html, but take a look for yourself. I also tried to find specific files via WWW search engine and via FTP search engine - nothing. Maybe someone else has another idea!?

kind regards
soggi

@MaDGyrus:
Could be the usual Win98 related trouble. I'm in the same situation right now. Wanted to put my Riva TNT back in the system which I exchanged temporarily for a Rage Pro (the older one, not a Rage 128) to play Tomb Raider with ATi-patch (which went fine, btw).
I couldn't get it back working with all sorts of failures now in the system such as freezes in the boot process, totally garbled display after changeing color/resolution or starting any program changing display mode, Windows protection errors, registry errors, Windows booting alright but freezing at any random point. It is just ... so ridiculous to spend more time with this OS.
The card itself is totally ok, I've tested it in a Win XP machine, and it also worked absolutely problem-free under Win98 before. But now, no dice. Think I have to reinstall everything from scratch...
One more thing I've tried is reinstalling Win98 over the old installation. In the past this helped with getting rid of driver problems without having to reinstall all other software but even that showed freezes in the install process. I have no idea what's going on...
Sorry if being too off-topic, just wanted to say it could also be an OS-thing and not necessarily just driver related.

Thanks soggi, I hope you or maybe someone else help me find the solution.

ChisK, I have another hdd with win98 installation in another PC so I'll try swapping it with my current one and see where it will take me. I'll report back here either later today or tomorrow, if I have time to dedicate to this process ))

Appreciate everyone's help!

MaDGyrus wrote on 2024-09-13, 11:28:

Thanks soggi, I hope you or maybe someone else help me find the solution.

ChisK, I have another hdd with win98 installation in another PC so I'll try swapping it with my current one and see where it will take me. I'll report back here either later today or tomorrow, if I have time to dedicate to this process ))

Appreciate everyone's help!

This is a later listing on manli.com - https://web.archive.org/web/20041204143450/ht … le=Download.asp - but the only one I can find is the XP package, here...

Manli archive - https://web.archive.org/web/20060530185146/ht … 28Pro/WinXP.rar or

DriverGuide - https://www.driverguide.com/driver/detail.php … 23d8cd5599530f4

...they were all listed on Video-drivers.com ( https://www.video-drivers.com/companies/1332. … thx=9&bng=7&o=8 ) though those links and the backend links thru driversdownload.solvusoft.com are all dead.

Manli archive - https://web.archive.org/web/20060530185146/ht … 28Pro/WinXP.rar or

DriverGuide - https://www.driverguide.com/driver/detail.php … 23d8cd5599530f4

PC Hoarder Patrol, thank you, I have downloaded the XP version just in case I decide to switch to XP.

ChrisK, looks like you were right. I have tried another HDD with a different Win98 installation and the drivers worked. I used the "Alternative" pack from the thread. Once this was a success, I started looking to do a clean install and another round of search began 😀 The card was detected as ATI rage 128 PRO (5046)

Finally, I installed a different version of Win98SE and used an auto-patcher to update it to the latest possible state. Now I need to begin yet another round of returning everything to how it was (I wanted to avoid it so much, but could not find any other solution.)

Along the way, I have tried several versions of win98se with different patches but none of them worked with Radeon 9700+3Dfx voodoo 2SLI configuration. Looks like I need to drop this idea at least with Win98SE.

Again, thanks, everyone!

Sorry, forgot to answer...

I also had the "usual Win98 related trouble" (which ChrisK mentioned) in mind. Nice to hear it exactly was this. Back in the days I always reinstalled Win98(SE) when I changed the video card and I did it anyway every few months at least to have a clean, fast system. I would still recommend this today, even with Windows NT based versions of windows (2000, XP, Vista, 7).

PC Hoarder Patrol wrote on 2024-09-13, 12:58:

This is a later listing on manli.com - https://web.archive.org/web/20041204143450/ht … le=Download.asp - but the only one I can find is the XP package, here...

That's exactly what I found...the Win9x downloads are dead. But I found out, in the earlier days they had the standard ATI drivers online and later they had packages with another naming and especially with a newer date than the last original ATI driver. Let's have a look into the WinXP package which also claims to be newer... This isn't the case, the latest file (atiixpaa.cat in the subfolder "Atidrive") is dated 2002/02/19 - nevertheless in comparison it's a date between the last official (2001/10/05) and the latest beta driver (2002/07/06).

kind regards
soggi

soggi wrote on 2024-09-16, 22:33:

Sorry, forgot to answer...

I also had the "usual Win98 related trouble" (which ChrisK mentioned) in mind. Nice to hear it exactly was this. Back in the days I always reinstalled Win98(SE) when I changed the video card and I did it anyway every few months at least to have a clean, fast system.

Haha, that's just what I was remembering when thinking about that all at bit more.
I also regularly reinstalled Win98 but I can't recall the reasons for that any more. Since I didn't change hardware components that often this can't have been the reason.
Nevertheless it was a very common process for me, just a matter of format C: and starting setup.

Nowadays this isn't my preferred approach because of having installed many other things I don't want to reinstall each time. And since I discovered you could just reinstall Win98 over an existing installation reverting all drivers but keeping other software this is my preferred way to go. But sometimes even that doesn't work.
But there's another way to set Windows back to a working state:
Windows creates backups of its system files under C:\Windows\Sysbackup\rb00x.cab
Those .cab files are archives with system.dat, user.dat, system.ini, win.ini.
By extracting system.dat and user.dat from a .cab from before when the system got into a bad state and putting them into C:\Windows\ (overwriting the existing files) can bring the system back to life.
At least it seems this saved me from doing a complete reinstall for now.

I have the same card here, but never found reliable drivers for it. Would be interesting to know, what Pixel_Workbench did to the INF...

ChrisK wrote on 2024-09-17, 07:59:

By extracting system.dat and user.dat from a .cab from before when the system got into a bad state and putting them into C:\Windows\ (overwriting the existing files) can bring the system back to life.

Whence why Scanreg exists.

Putas wrote on 2024-09-17, 12:04:

ChrisK wrote on 2024-09-17, 07:59:

By extracting system.dat and user.dat from a .cab from before when the system got into a bad state and putting them into C:\Windows\ (overwriting the existing files) can bring the system back to life.

Whence why Scanreg exists.

Yes but what exactly does it do?
I've tried "scanreg /fix" but that didn't really help. After the next reboot there was again a registry error reported by windows.
Does it restore those older file revisions and if so which revision will it use? Or does it just "repair" the registry?