zuldan wrote on 2024-11-07, 08:52:
I’ve started grabbing LGA775 gear before prices get too crazy.
Same here.
LGA775 stuff are typically available at scrap prices where I am... as are socket 462, 478, 754, AM2 stuff. Luckily, I can also still find s370 and slot 1 stuff at scrap prices, still... though they're becoming a little more rare now.
Horun wrote on 2024-11-08, 04:48:Suggest stay away from those micro boards....
You really want one with 4 DIMM sockets, minimum of 3 PCI and a floppy port.... th […]
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Suggest stay away from those micro boards....
You really want one with 4 DIMM sockets, minimum of 3 PCI and a floppy port.... those are a "must have" for a good 775 for XP stuff imho.
I do have a micro Asus P5G41T-MLX and it works fine but no floppy port, only two DIMM sockets and limited PCI slots so not the greatest...
Of course you all know that stuff, just a reminder 🤣 😀
Yes, stay away from those... and leave moar for me! 😁
In all seriousness, I think most mATX/uATX 775 board are just fine for an everyday "beater" / "sane" XP build - i.e. a high[er]-end Core 2 Duo (not Quad) CPU, 2 GB of RAM, and some late XP -era mid-range GPU (HD4650 and above or GeForce 9600 GT and above.) Floppy drive and 4 mem slots are definitely not a "must have", IMO. Even an optical drive could be optional, given than XP has USB 2.0 support out of the box (well, SP1 and later anyways.) That said, I still use a lot of optical media, so I rarely skip it, even for much newer builds.
RetroPCCupboard wrote on 2024-11-08, 05:59:
I lost that particular silicon lottery. My QX9650 would "only" go up to 3.8ghz back in the day. I still have it. Rock solid chip. To get such a percentage overclock these days is impossible. Out of the box, they push them to the limit now (even beyond the limit in the case of Intel, causing CPUs to die).
Hehe, those old LGA755 CPUs were awesome!
My first "high-end" build (I put it in quotes, because I made this build in 2018... so for its time, it wasn't high-end at all) was with a Core 2 Quad Q6600 overclocked to 3 GHz while also being under-volted on the core for lower TDP. Cooler was a 4-heatpipe Dell one from a Precision, IIRC. End result: could have the CPU stay under 60C most of the time under very high loads (>80%), even in the hot summer temperatures in my computer room (often going close to 30C). Of course, this was at the expense of the rig not being too quiet (it was pretty loud at high CPU loads.)
These days, indeed CPUs are pushed right to the limit (or beyond) out of the box... so OC-ing is pretty much a game of the past (or at least OC-ing not at the expense of the hardware's life span.)
acl wrote on 2024-11-09, 12:14:I like the weirdness of Asrock from this era.
With "upgradable" cards, cards with AGP+PCIE. Cards with unusual memory support.
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I like the weirdness of Asrock from this era.
With "upgradable" cards, cards with AGP+PCIE. Cards with unusual memory support.
It's very "niche" but generally also very clever.
Unlike today's hardware.
Agreed, and I also quite like AsRock stuff from that era.
I managed to snag an AM2CPU upgrade board with a 939Dual-SATA2 motherboard for barely more than the shipping around a decade or so ago. Those AM2CPU upgrade boards are pretty much unobtanium now. Planning a quirky build with it, to say the least... when I get to it, though (someday... I work really REALLY slow on everything.)
Kahenraz wrote on 2024-11-09, 14:15:
I have a dual AGP/PCIe board similar to this. It's very fun and I use it often for testing. One caveat to be aware of is that it isn't a panacea. I believe that all of these types of combo boards are strictly PCIe 1.0. I've also experienced problems where they will simply refuse to work with some PCIe cards. This is more likely to happen with never cards, but it's something to be aware of. If a card doesn't work, be sure to verify it in another system before assuming the worst.
I think that they are AGP 4X and not 8X as well, but I'm not certain.
Yup, PCI-E 1.0 they are.
As for the AGP slot... that depends. I think some are more or less equivalent to 8x speeds. But on my 939Dual-SATA2, GPU-Z always reports AGP video cards running at PCI speed. And likewise, performance of my AGP cards also seems a bit lack-luster in that board. Look at board traces on the 939Dual-SATA2, the AGP slot goes to the Southbridge and not the Northbridge. So indeed the AGP slot could just be a plain old PCI-bridged slot. If someone knows more on the matter, though, I'd like to know.
Wes1262 wrote on 2024-11-09, 01:36:
Ordered a x800gto, got this. Seller contacts me saying that he accidentally sent me a camera that was for another buyer. Then he said he managed to get the package replaced with the correct one. I didn't believe him so I filmed the unboxing. There's no way to get a package swapped with another after the package is handed over to the delivery company. Anyways, I wanted to give it a try since it's insured. And in fact I received the camera, not the GPU, so he lied and he didn't swap the package. Now he's saying that's not his camera but my camera and I am lying. Says it's impossible that it's his camera since he still has the camera. Either he has an identical camera or he took photos of the cameras before shipping it to me. 25€ heist. A true criminal mastermind.
Oi!
Something similar happened to me, though it was a genuine seller error.
Basically I bid on (and won) an auction for an mATX socket 754 motherboard (for parts, with bad/blown caps) with an Athlon 64 3700+ CPU. What I got instead was an mATX socket 478 board with an equivalent-ish P4 CPU. Not really a big deal to me. But whoever got that 754 mobo... hopefully knew how to repair it - it was full of bad/blown caps, and one of the reasons I got it (the other reason was to get the A64 3700+, which is a top-end s754 CPU.) Meanwhile, the P4 mobo I got (ASUS) had no bad caps, but it did have a busted Northbridge heatsink retention (happened during shipping likely.) So in the end, I did have something to fix / play with.
In your case, perhaps what the seller meant by saying that he got the package "replaced" was that whoever got the video card supposedly sent it back to him, so if you send the camera back, he will send the correct package with the video card. But who knows, truly. Maybe he did send your card to another person and the camera to you by mistake... and now doesn't want to admit to that, because he would be at a loss if he has to ship the stuff again to the proper addresses.
Trashbytes wrote on 2024-11-07, 09:02:
As for Temps .. its got a 2 slot blower cooler on it however its the shit ATI one which was never great to start with, I have a few 3rd party ones that greatly improve temps but under 50c full load is a pipe dream for any GPU unless its in a Rack mounted case with 10k RPM fans blowing on it or its hooked up to custom cooling via a decent rad and even then under 50c at load.. yeah I dont think that even a reasonable target to suggest.
Well, under 50C is indeed challenging, especially without water cooling. Not impossible, though. One just needs to think outside the box... or rather, just massively over-size the cooler, like use something real big from a modern high-power GPU. Now under 55C, that's a little easier to attain, though still can get challenging with higher-power cards. Under 60C is definitely not that challenging.
Trashbytes wrote on 2024-11-07, 09:02:
For most retro GPUs .. 60 - 70c is fine at load for normal use in the real world, we are not using these 24/7 as a daily driver so its fine
It doesn't matter too much whether you're doing 24/7 or occasional use. Every time the GPU chip goes in the high temperatures and then cools down will cause the materials in the GPU chip to expand and contract. The greater the difference between those high and low temperatures *and* the more the GPU goes over 55-60C, the more likely it will develop a fault over time.
Trashbytes wrote on 2024-11-07, 09:02:
and you may do more harm than good trying to fit 3rd party cooling to these cards.
That I agree with - some people aren't too handy and are indeed better off avoiding tampering with their GPU coolers.
Trashbytes wrote on 2024-11-07, 09:02:
(MAny dont want 3rd party cooling either .. it spoils the look)
Well, if the "look" on a video card is more important that it working... why even buy working parts in the first place? 😀 Could just build a PC from all dead parts and put in on display / for show.
Sorry, but when it comes to GPU cooling, I just think the whole "need to keep it as original as possible" thing is stupid. As mentioned in another thread, GPU manufacturers, especially earlier in the days, really just slapped whatever cooler would get the job done to get the product (GPU) out the door so that it (hopefully) doesn't fail before the warranty expired. That's it. No (or rarely) consideration was given to noise levels or cooling performance beyond "it works". Ditching the stock cooler should be encouraged rather than frowned upon... unless, again, you just like to have a wall of dead cards on display. I personally have that kind of display even with my working cards... except they are not meant just for display - I can take any one (and regularly do, actually), put it in a PC and have it work too. Sure, it doesn't look original (especially given my "unsightly" modded coolers / heatsinks)... but so what?! It's still the same card, but vastly improved in the cooling department.
Also, if you remember back in those days, such kind of custom cooling / modding was the norm among enthusiasts, rather than an exception. That's because PC building wasn't like it is now, where you can buy anything and it all works out / can be put together fairly easily. So in the spirit of "those times" past, modding a shitty GPU cooler is just as retro of an activity as is playing with the hardware in general.
Horun wrote on Yesterday, 18:09:
I found $70 in empty parking spaces last month and no one around so kept it. I was excited ! Does not matter if you have $1000 or $10000, finding money is always nice 😀
Agreed.
I found $1 a few weeks back. Probably nothing to get too excited about... yet I was.
The following day when I went to the flea market, I was exactly $1 short to buy something I wanted... so that excitement wasn't for nothing.
Heck, I always bend down pickup even pennies (or equivalent in current currency) from the street.
